Wednesday, February 16, 2005

State Education Board Minutes Revealing

It seems clear to those reviewing the minutes from a recent state board of education meeting that educrats from the Department of Education are undermining efforts of the legislature and the state board of education. Both want norm referenced (comparing our students to students in other states) tests to be used to evaluate school effectiveness. The ADE (along with the feds) are implementing the more pliable criteria based (can you do what is on our list, with us compiling an easier list each year to make it seem like you are progressing) testing. (click "comments" to view article by Debbie Pelley)

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Look closely at the following transcript of a State Board Meeting on June 14, 04 and you will see who controls education in Arkansas.

Background Information: Many legislators and businessmen, as well as educators, became concerned that the state benchmark tests (also called criterion referenced tests or performance tests) were not reliable tests and wanted students in Arkansas to be compared to the rest of the nation using nationally norm-referenced test. They had become alarmed when they realized the ADE was phasing out norm-referenced tests altogether.

Thousands of hours were spent in the debate and in drafting and compromising a law, Act 235, to put some emphasis back on the norm-referenced tests. Then the ADE basically sabotages their efforts as evidenced in the following transcript. For the reasons for concern about the criterion referenced tests - score inflation- see second part of article at http://www.wpaag.org/Hussman%20-%20Confrontst%20ADE%20on%20Tesing%20%20(Act%2035).htm. To see table of nationally normed socres in Arkansas from 1984 to 2003 see http://www.wpaag.org/SAT%20Test%20from%201984-2003%20Table%20&%20Money%20Spent.htm

Transcript of Excerpts

State Board Meeting on Act 35 Rules and Regs. June 14, 04.
1:59

State Board Member Randy Lawson: I want to focus on 4.04.[Rules and Regs. for Act 35] It seems to me we should include norm referenced testing in here too. It seems that would be more appropriate and comply with the law. With that objection I move that we include that in there. That we say norm referenced and criterion reference.

Then on 5.02.2 a similar comment just after the middle of that paragraph where it says criterion referenced to add norm referenced also. To me that would be adding to the sprit of the law.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: Was there a reason we left out normed referenced testing in the first section that Randy [Lawson] addressed.[Former Board Member Luke Gordy nearly always carried the ball at these meetings and was usually as informed as anyone on the board. He had served several years.]

Janine Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: I believe it goes back to the fact that the accountability system is based on the criterion referenced exam and that is where the focus of the attention is based – at the school level and the CRT [criterion referenced testing] is the assessment aligned to our frameworks and the norm references is not aligned to the frameworks.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: With the new legislation that requires value added value and longitudinal tracking, doesn’t that change that?

Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: Not in our viewpoint. That is all still based on our criterion referenced exam. I am not the expert on value added and longitudinal tracking. Gayle [Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment] do you want to help me?

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: So you are telling me that we are not going to use normed reference test at all in regard to value added and longitudinal tracking? [Who is telling who here? The law -Act 35 -says the State Board of Education will make these decision, not the ADE.]

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment: My understanding of Act 35 is that the accountability system is still based on the CRT but we are going to do a linking study that will link the criterion referenced test to the normed referenced test. You will have both assessments, but the accountability will ride with the criterion referenced test. [Again ADE is making the decions not the Board]

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: I was under the understanding with the emphasis on the importance of the longitudinal tracking, and not the linkage standpoint but year over year over year standpoint, I don’t see how you can have effective longitudinal analysis and improvement measurement if you don’t take the test every year; and you are saying you are still going to discount the normed referenced side of equation for the criterion referenced side of the equation, and I think that is a mistake - if I am understanding you right.

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment: We will be giving both of them every year. We will be giving both assessments every year.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: Where will the value added come in.

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment: It will be calculated.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: So you will have to us normed reference test (NRT)?

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment. We will be giving both assessments every year.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: You didn’t answer my question. I understand that. You will have to use norm referenced test if you have value added in the non criterion years, is that not right – unless I am just not getting it.

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment: There are no non criterion referenced test years.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: Okay, someone explain that to me. I am sorry. [Again, who is making the decisions?]

Director of Arkansas Dept. of Ed. Ken James: With NCLB, as you probably are aware, now the state is going to have to develop new criteria to fill in the gaps in terms of assessments.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: So all of them are going to be criterion referenced. [Who is making the decisions here again, Board or ADE]

Director of Arkansas Dept. of Ed. Ken James No, no, we have to fill in the gaps in terms of the criterion referenced test because some grades didn’t have that. We had it at 4, 6, 8 and end of level. NCLB requires criterion referenced tests grades 3-8. That is what I was trying to clarify for you. Go ahead Gayle [Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment]

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment: This coming year 3-8 in we have got reading , writing and math criterion referenced tests. Henceforth, we will have that. We will have all the end of level course assessments, and then of course, we have science coming on 3-8 and in high school and then anything else you all want to add. LAUGHTER AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS..

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: Is this all still hypothetical. Now in regard to who is going to do the value added, how we are going to do that, who is going to be responsible for paying for it, who is going to account for it, I guess I slept through the last couple of months. [Who is making the decisions the Board or ADE]

Gayle Teale Potter, Assistant Director Academic Standards and Assessment: We re in this discussion almost daily. I think I am realizing; it has dawned on me that we’re [Dept. staff] in this discussion almost daily. We only see you once a month to have these conversations with you. I think we talked about this but not recently. [So as to tell you what you will be rubber stamping] After we give the assessments next year we will be resetting standards. Remember we have talked about this because we will have all the grades 3-8 in alignment.

Once we reset the standards then we will be able to do value added calculations with the CRT’s. WE can’t do them now because we don’t have those standards set in such a way that permits us to do that. We will be able to do that after we reset the standards 3-8

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: The state is going to do that for every school, for every child in every school.

Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: You said who will be doing it. The assessment company will be doing all of that.

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: The reason I am so flabbergasted about all of that is based on my real shallow knowledge with the TAP school is based on my real shallow knowledge of what some of the TAP schools are doing. It’s just almost impossible to get the right information from that small number of schools to get the value added computation. And we are talking about 250 schools in the state..

Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: It is hard

State Bd. of Ed. Member Luke Gordy: I don’t think hard gets anywhere near it.

Dr. Charity Smith, Director of Accountability & Sch. Improvement - If you remember, Act 35 we are supposed to have a very transparent value added system and longitudinal calculation. We are to present that system to the board. for your review and approval prior to doing that. I think we are going to be close to doing that in September or October, and you will be able to see how both s assessments will come to bear in this system. .....Our team will be here in September or October so you can clearly see. We have spent 8 hours a day for 3 days last week going through the system.

I think it is going to be very transparent at that point and very, very clear at that point how it is that we will be able to make the assessments to which we have committed. [Note: How can it be transparent and very, very clear when even the members of the state education board can’t grasp it. All the state board will be able to do is rubber stamp what the experts say.]

Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: I think that is one reason we are moving very cautiously. That is why this assessment and accountability TACT. Those two groups are critical they have the experience. They have been there and done that. We need their expertise to help guide us through this voyage we are taking so we can meet not only the intent but the letter of the law. [So the experts in the DOE have to rely on experts from outside the state. [Very transparent and very clear indeed]

Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: Another thing we will be working with our accountability TACT

Janine Riggs, Director of School Improvement & Professional Development: We have to educate our school people and the public on Level 1 what does that mean Level 2 and AYP. With the experience from these other states that will help.

One of the things NCLB has brought forward. We have a state rating system and then you have NCLB. You could have a school on the state system ranking very high but b Year 2 or Year 3 on AYP r maybe vice verse. I don’t think it’s going to be vice verse. ...that has been the experience with all these other states with the AYP and NCLB and a state rating system making sure that people understand the differences in those various systems. That is something we need to be giving serious thought to now. That will be another group of stakeholders we will be bringing in to work with. [So it is going to be very transparent and very clear when even the experts in the state department have to rely on other experts and now they are going to explain all that to the legislators and the public. For a table with scores from 1984 to 2003 that shows real transparency see http://www.wpaag.org/SAT%20Test%20from%201984-2003%20Table%20&%20Money%20Spent.htm]

Dr. Charity Smith, Director of Accountability & Sch. Improvement - The accountability system will be based on the national standards of accountability and evaluation. That is why we are moving very cautiously and carefully . The advisory committees base all this information on what is nationally recognized so that we can be legally defensible. [ ADE has said over and over that the teachers in Arkansas developed these standards. How so, when it is national standards]

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