Sunday, March 06, 2005

Notes on HB 1525 Committee Hearing

By Debbie Pelly (click "comments" below for article)


Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

Words in italics were added in the written testimony. These were in my notes to use or have been added for clarification when I realized the point may not be understandable to those who were not present.

Let me say to Rep. Elliott that we on the other side of this issue can identify with the hateful feedback she talked about this morning. It seems that one of the worst things a person can do in our society is to oppose something. We who oppose something are instantly and bitterly belittled as self-righteous, narrow mined, aginners, uneducated bigots - and other expletives that are not part of my vocabulary.

I can't help but note the anger of committee members even today toward those opposing this bill.

On the compassion aspect that so many have referred to saying the children can't help their situation - children always face consequences of their parental heritage and laws always reward some people and punish others. Citizens' children couldn't even go to first grade if parents weren't responsible enough to provide inoculation records for their children. They can't even eat free lunch if the parents do not fill out the papers. Those are our compassionate laws? ?

Yes, they are compassionate laws because they prevent destructive diseases and provide the order schools must have to keep their money records straight and according to law. The children are not responsible, however, but must face the consequences if the parents aren't responsible. With illegal aliens, the same principle applies There are numerous reasons to require people to be legally present in this country even if on the surface it may look like people are not being treated compassionately. There are also hundreds of thousands of situations where US citizens are caught in desperate situations because of laws.

This HB 1525 is also a bit deceptive. One of the requirements of the bill is that a student shall file an affidavit stating the student has an intent to legalize his immigration status. A constitutional lawyer has stated, "This appears to require the student to do the impossible. Under federal law illegal aliens are detainable and deportable and may be barred for 10 years or more from reapplying for legal admission to the United States."

The facts that confirm this lawyer's opinion have been brought out repeatedly in the hearing today. It has been stated here today more than once that these undocumented students become officially illegal aliens at age 18 1/2 years old and that most of these students will be 18 when they apply for benefits or very close to that age. When they go to apply for citizenship, they may very will be deported. Even if they acquire a college degree, there is no way for them to become citizens except in very rare cases; and it will still be against the law to hire them because they will have no social security number unless they get it through identify theft or some other illegal way. That was confirmed and explored thoroughly at today's hearing.

This could result in taxpayers footing the bill for students' college who will later be deported and go back to Mexico or some other nation. This is the reason Representative Elliott has aid more than once today in eliciting compassion for them that there is no mechanism in place for these adult student to become citizens at this time. To apply for citizenship would likely result in deportation. However, the law makes the process sound simple and clean and as if these students can easily become citizens. The law is therefore deceptive on this requirement.

The fact that these students are detainable and deportable at age 18 1/2 would seem to make it illegal for the state to give them benefits. Under this HB1525 the state would be aiding illegals just as three presidential nominees who had to withdraw their names as nominations for cabinet post were doing by hiring illegal aliens. How then can this law not be an illegal law, even apart from the federal law I referred to earlier in my e-mails.

Senator Argue pointed out more than once that the federal government requires the states to educate these children K-12 so college for them would just be a natural extension to that. I think the point that Argue is missing is that the children K-12 are just children. At age 18 they become adults. Children and adults are often governed by differen laws. Undocumented children are not engaging in illegal activity. As adults they are, and that is why they are detainable and deportable even though they have attended school from K-12. "Because they are illegal aliens by the time they attend college" is probably why the federal government forbids aid to them through Pell grants and other federal grants and scholarships.

Apart from the legal aspect, everything in our society honors order. In the corporate world, among government employees, and in this legislative body, seniority has always been honored and used as basis of reward and salaries. When one goes to a concert, a sale, a restaurant or whatever, people stand in line by who got there first. People breaking the lines would not get very far.

So why is it right to break that principle and give such unwarranted aid to illegal aliens who in essence broke the line of order before other legal immigrants who took their time in line and did it legally. Why break that principle of seniority and give scholarships to children of illegal aliens instead of to children of citizens who have lived in this country and served in various capacities all their lives or for generations. That is what HB1525 does. The people understand this principle. I don't understand why these legislators don't.

And no matter how one plays with words, as many have done, and said HB1525 would not deny US citizens scholarships, every scholarship to a illegal alien is withheld from a legal immigrant or a US citizen. That money all comes out of the taxpayers pot. That breaks the principle of seniority and order.

It is unfair to the citizen taxpayers who will have to pick up the tab. Their hard earned dollars will now be used to pay for the illegal aliens' subsidized tuition. And we know the costs of higher education continues to skyrocket.

I also wanted to mention that Representative Elliott keeps talking about six other states having enacted similar laws. That leaves 44 that haven't. It has been introduced but rejected for good reason in 17 other states. I thought that should be pointed out as the other side of the story. Why should Arkansas, which is the poorest state in the nation, think it can pick up the tab for educating illegal aliens and the possible litigation fee before more richer states have tested it .

Debbie Pelley
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5:32 PM, March 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sen. Argue also fails to note that the only reason taxpayers are forced to pay for the primary school education of children whose parents have illegally entered our country was that the courts forced us to. This was not a democratic decision of the populace. There was never a vote of the citizens.

Instead, the black-robed elites of the court imposed their will against popular sentiment in Morales vs. Texas (I believe).

Before 1973 the American citizens were not threatened with imprisonment if they failed to pay for the education of all the minors of the world whos parents where able to successfully break into our country.

5:38 PM, March 06, 2005  

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