Report on Asa vs. Winn Rock "Debate"
By Debbie Pelley (click "comments" below for the article).
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posted by Debbie Pelley at Friday, May 27, 2005
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I just returned home from the AP Managing Editors conference which featured Asa and Rockefeller. Both gave short presentations and then they took questions together for about 40 minutes in a format similar to a debate. I'm sure that the newspapers will have their own take on how the evening went, but here is an early preview...
Asa's primary message was the need to focus on creating more jobs in Arkansas. He noted that the state lags behind the rest of the country in terms of recruiting new industries and creating jobs, and that this was not acceptable. Specifically, he focused on the need for the next governor to provide leadership in recruiting and supporting new industries in the arena of emerging technologies (such as biotech, nanotech, biometrics, etc.). He pointed out that, in the past, Arkansas has not always been prepared to take advantage of shifts in technology, noting for example that some areas in rural Arkansas did not get phone service until the 1990s. He called for a greater focus on science and technology in the educational arena; building an IT support infrastructure in the state that would attract and grow high tech industries; being more aggressive in competing for federal dollars for research and development grants; being more aggressive in attracting venture capital; and developing a plan to ensure that rural areas of Arkansas have access to broadband and IT infrastructures. With the rapidly shifting trends in the national and global economies, Asa said, the decisions being made by governors now and in the next few years will impact their states' prospects for economic development and job creation and wage levels for decades. We can lead, or we can fall behind.
Rockefeller opened his remarks by noting that many of the reporters in the room remembered his father, the former governor. He also noted that the state needed a greater focus on ecnomic development. His response was to call for the "dissection" of the tax code. He suggested putting together a coalition of groups to study the current system and make suggestions or to allow a referendum by the people to rewrite the code. When asked by John Brummett if he could be more specific about which taxes he felt needed to be targeted, Rockefeller said that it was too early to get very specific. Later he noted that Arkansas has a low severance tax, compared to surrounding states, and he suggested that if Arkansas adjusted its tax so that it was in line with the other states, we could generate more revenue.
At this point, Asa stepped forward and said that he "firmly" disagreed that we should consider raising taxes. He noted that raising the severance tax would hamper our growth potential and that we should instead look to an economic stimulus package based upon developing new industries and creating new jobs in emerging technologies, which would bring in more tax revenues due to the increase in economic activity.The first rule of discussing taxes, he said, should be "do no harm" and he did not think that the answer was to raise taxes.
Asa also had the opportunity to discuss the threat Meth poses to Arkansas. As head of DEA, he witnessed firsthand the way in which "superlabs" in Mexico produced high volumes of Meth and trafficked it into Arkansas. He said that, as governor, he would provide more resources to the state police to help local law enforcement and that, at the same time, he would focus on prevention and treatment -- specifically drug treatment courts for non-violent offenders.
On education, Rockefeller noted the need for a "global educational system." It is unclear exactly what he meant by that except that he felt that European schools were faring better than American schools. Asa said that his first priority would be to "get the courts out of our schools." He said that it was important to improve educational funding to avoid further litigation and ensure that teachers and educators and parents were designing our school curriculums rather than judges or court-appointed bureaucrats. He also noted that he was hesitant to consolidate a school district simply because it was small and rural. He noted that he himself had grown up in a very small town (Gravette) and that we should look to how well a school district is educating students, not how large it is. They key was to ensure that schools were spending their money on students and teachers, not on overhead and inefficient bureaucracy. He pointed out, however, that the goal in education should be to offer opportunities and encouragement for parents to get involved in their children's education. Consolidating school districts down to one per county, though, removes that opportunities for parents to get involved by being on the school board or voting for school board members. So we should be careful how we approach this topic.
In the end, Asa made the argument that he is a leader with proven results. Whether as head of the DEA or setting up the Department of Homeland Security, he has faced a wide variety of challenges and has been willing to tackle them head on. Arkansas needs a leader who knows where he stands on issues, is consistent in his core values, has a vision and a specific plan to achieve that vision, and who has been tested and has proven and has shown that he can deliver on this promises.
It appears to me that both Candidates feel that government is the solution to all our problems. If the primary was today I most likely would not vote.
Terry, what are you talking about- Asa is for less taxes, less government spending and allowing the private sector to grow. he advocated for a return to local control for our schools - How does that equate to bigger government. I think we have some Rockefeller people on this blog who know they can't convince this crowd to vote for their guy so they just try to muddy the water.
Asa was an UnderSecretary to Homeland Security, and had high hope of being its Secretary. In my opinion Homeland Security has steered us in the direction of becoming a police state. Asa supports this.
With WinnRock I am not convinced that he has changed his position on abortion. That is why I cannot support either one.
Terry,
How can you compare a disagreement over homeland security, which is at least an attempt to protect life and abortion which is the greatest abomination in human history. Surely you care more about doing everything in your power to protect those innocent babies than you do about some esoteric argument over the role of the feral government.
Homeland Security combined 27 different federal agencies into 1 in an attempt to make them more efficient and productive. You may not like the idea but it has protected us from another attack.
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The creation of Homeland Security has taken away our Constitutional Rights. Now the Federal Government can search your home without a warrant if they suspect you of terrorism. Plus the so called War in Iraq is unconstitutional. Only Congress has the right to declare War.
I feel that Asa supports all the things George W. Bush has done.
Loosing our liberties may not be as important of an issue as abortion, but it is still important. When we loose our liberties, we have lost our nation.
Asa said some good, conservative things. He is also now saying he is for protecting our borders from illegal immigration. He IS talking the right talk, but he just had a chance to walk the right walk and did not take it.
This is why we will remain a democrat state - you guys want perfection or nothing. There is no doubt that Asa is more conservative than Win. So pick somebody and help him win. Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the best.
Win supports everything Bush has done including the Iraqi war, the creation of homeland security, patriot act, etc.. PLUS, unlike Asa he supports abortion, school consolidation, raising taxes, scholarships for illegals. etc... This is a ridiculous discussion.
"Asa said some good, conservative things. He is also now saying he is for protecting our borders from illegal immigration. He IS talking the right talk, but he just had a chance to walk the right walk and did not take it."
Asa is only now able to speak for himself. He was an employee of the President. But check his voting record. He has done more for the conservative cause including leading the impeachment team against a President from his home state. Which everybody said was political suicide. He has done far more action than anybody else in this state.
Asa not a man of action - ARE YOU KIDDING ME. DO YOU REMEMBER IMPEACHMENT.
We remember the impeachment trial. Certainly Asa did all he could. It was no fault of his that the Senate refused to listen.
I agree that the perfect should not be the enemy of the good, and Asa's congressional record was good. His record since then, IMHO, has not been good.
Conservatives have worked for so many "leaders" who then became co-opted by the system and sold us out that we are understandably leery of wasting effort helping ANYBODY unless we are sure. Sure that they are so rocked-ribbed, and have so burned thier bridges with the establishment, that their commitment is not in doubt.
I am not talking about which to vote for per se, it is about is either of them worth WORKING for.
As for him doing more for the conservative cause than anyone in Arkansas, I'd say that is faint praise. Who HAS done a lot for us? Mike Huckabee was full of promise, and was better than Clinton, but his policies were little different. It is the grassroots that is advancing the conservative cause. It is a team effort.
You know, I am coming at this from another angle, but really think about what you guys and gals write, sometime.
I hear the words Christian and Conservative lumped together....a lot, especially by the Asa Hutchinson crowd.
* Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoners to give them fellowship....these don't sound like conservative things to me.
* Going out, in a massive, global scale, to promote and market a new idea....thats not conservative.
* Hoarding money....versus using it to grow an investment that returns three, five, ten yield....thats not conservative.
YET....somehow, Attorney General Mike Beebe and the Democratic Party is overlooked. Somehow, there are some that think because of certain social issues, that they have the corner on Christianity.
First of all, God is a benevolent absolute monarch....who has granted us....the governed....the right to choose....freedom of will.
BUT....if we are to confuse the battle lines, then we should recognize whose platform closely resembles Christian principles found in the Sermon on the Mount, the work of the Apostles, and the overall message of Christ.
Finally, Maumelle03, yes we do remember Asa Hutchinson's work in the impeachment. We also notice he didn't apply the same measure to his own brother....yet when Roger Clinton was guilty, then-Governor Bill Clinton told then-U.S. Attorney Asa Hutchinson to proceed with the capture of his brother.
Asa Hutchinson in my book has led a double standard, politically. He claims the cloak of Christ and votes against most social programs that help others. He prosecutes Bill Clinton for infidelity and is eerily silent and almost supportive of a brother who commits the same sin. He says one thing and he does another.
I have not seen that behavior by Lt. Governor Win Paul Rockefeller.
And before the idea is expressed....Democrats prefer Asa Hutchinson to Win Paul Rockefeller in a General Election matchup, not the other way around as expressed on the blogs, because Asa's statewide record in running for office is 0-2, while Win Paul's is 3-0.
Drew, the fact that a liberal democrat is "leery" of Asa is good news to me. Asa has not led a double life- He did not approve of his brother's divorce. If somebody is going to be blamed for a family member's mistakes, then no one is eligible for office. Judge a man by his life not his families.
As far as who is more electable. I agree that the conventional wisdom is that Win is more electable because he can get liberals like you to vote for him. That is not necessarily a good thing. But I promise you that Beebe has told his inner circle of which I guess you are not a member, that he would prefer Win as an opponent, because he will run circles around him on the campaign trail and he expects that Win will self destruct with his foot in mouth disease.
Also, this myth that Win will get 50% of the black vote is not supported by any evidence. In the last election he only got 14% of the vote in black precincts and he was running against a terrible and underfunded opponent. Which he has always run against. He has yet to have a serious challenge. Asa on the other hand lost in the eighties when no one would run as a Republican. He ran, not because he thought he would win, but because he knew that Conservatives needed a choice. During this same time, Win was giving money to Bill Clinton's campaigns.
Asa will win the same way Bush did - by motivating the conservatives to come out and vote. Asa will get 65% of the vote in the 3rd district (NWA) and Win will only get 55% of the vote. Because social conservatives will not be motivated to support Win and Wal-Mart, J.B. Hunt, Stephens, etc will support Beebe over Win because they know Win wants to raise taxes.
Drew,
If you can give me scriptures that indicate that God wants THE GOVERNMENT to redistribute wealth I will give you scriptures that show that God holds human life to be sacred, even in the womb.
Socialists who condone abortion are not "half right" by the Bible. They are all wrong.
Okay...okay...let me take each of these responses in kind, please.
FIRST, I am not in anyone's inner circle. I am a poilitical strategist and thats what I do for a living. Yes, I am liberal on some positions.
Dealing with Asa Hutchinson, I actually supported Asa once....for AG. When I was 15 yrs. old. I am older and wiser now. I do not believe that Asa Hutchinson is the most qualified candidate running.
Beebe prefers either one. Either Win Paul or Asa will have a hard race against Beebe. Why? Because neither one can match experience, knowledge, or understanding of government with him. Thats what it is all about. We need an executive mind....someone who can direct our state government in a way, where all groups prosper and all regions.
Also, Win Paul has had a strong opponent. I refer you sir, to 1996, a campaign I did work on, with former State Senator Charlie Cole Chaffin of Benton. This was a woman who was very experienced, a great campaigner, and though outspent 10-1, almost beat Win Paul Rockefeller. It took a day and a half before the election was called for Win Paul, because she almost beat him. And I never said Win Paul would get 50% of the African-American vote....but 15% is significant.
Finally, Mark, we are not talking about abortion. Do not make the common mistake that if someone says they are progressive then they support abortion rights.
Also, Christ represents a theocracy, and we are a democracy, therefore, there is an inherent separation of Church and State. If we were a theocracy based on Christianity, we would resemble the state of Israel more than the democracy the United States of America is today.
Mark to answer question Answer this one HOW DID JOSEPH SAVE HIS PEOPLE
Drew,
I hope Beebe's strategy is to argue experience. While Beebe has been in the Senate for ever, he has only managed the AG staff which has maybe 50 people in it. Asa has managed the U.S. Attorney's office, his US congress office, 10,000 agents at DEA - his own intelligence network, and 120,000 employees at DHS. I know there were problems at DHS, but Asa has experienced the frustrations of large beuracracies and is better prepared to deal with them. Beebe's experience also consists of hundreds of pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-gay and pro tax increase votes.
Drew,
You just proved my point about Win never facing a tough opponent. He outspent Charlie Cole Chaffin 10-1 and barely won. That's pathetic.
Anonymous, your comments remind me of the Bible verse about the fool who speaks aimlessly.
If you think Charlie Cole Chaffin was not a tough opponent, well you're ignorant.
Also to try to label Beebe as pro-abortion, pro-gay, and anti-gun is just a lie in itself.
Drew, I'll grant you that Chaffin was the toughest opponent he has faced but she still was a little known local politician who got outspent 10-1. If not for Win's deficiencies as a candidate she would have gotten killed. As a political consultant you must agree that in most races where you are outspent 10-1 you will lose badly.
Beebe has consistently voted pro-choice, and has recieved A ratings from gay rights groups. His tax increase votes are too numerous to begin to discuss. I will be happy to pull some votes for you if you would like to continue this discussion.
Drew, you cite Bible verses too much. It's like you are trying to convince us or maybe yourself that you are a Christian.
Anonymous, I use Holy Scripture for two reasons. First and foremost, I am a Christian. Second, this weblog is based on the perspective of Christians who are involved in politics.
Also, Charlie Cole Chaffin was not a little known local politician.
She was an Arkansas State Senator, who in 1994 was the Democratic nominee for Lieutenant Governor. In addition, she was the ONLY woman in the Arkansas State Senate for 10 years and she had served as Senate Pro-Tempore.
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Mr. Toast, please do not classify me, because you are doing a poor job of doing so right now.
Use are trying to attack Mike Beebe with a broad brush....almost McCarthyistic style. Lets discuss each issue, issue by issue, with factual evidence, not some broad terminology of political speak.
Also, please do not treat me the same way. I never said God mandates government charity. But I would caution you to read the scriptures and then if YOU are using Christian principles to determine your vote....then apply it to Christian theology.
Please be careful in putting words in people's mouth, because it will backfire everytime.
Drew Pritt has been emailing over at the www.xanga.com/allpolitics website saying he is the in charge over here and is endorsed by the editors.
Drew, which issue would you like to discuss first and I will be happy to show you Mike Beebe's votes.
Anonymous, this is a lie and you need to apologize.
Drew is doing a good job. It looks like AAP was really trying to pay him a favor and get his name out there so more people will read his articles. You know mystery fuels readership.
Drew if you are out there don't worry about it.
PEOPLE....I didn't see Xanga doing me a favor by calling me a Republican or saying I am a DINO.
I want a reputation when I finally die as a man of integrity, who had convictions, spoke honestly and bravely, and in the end, tried to be a gentleman to all.
Drew,
Don't worry about it friend. We are all Christians here and we are glad that you are a part of our Blog. We don't care.
Keep it comin' as my grandpa used to say. Just keep it comin'.
I emailed the xanga.com/allpolitics and asked them to be fair and I think they are going to take the post down to keep things fair and honest.
We're proud to say that you are a friend of Arkansas Watch and can't wait until you run for office. You have to admit that your name ID will be high!
God bless
To whoever asked me (I wish you would click "other" on comments and give a name, even a ficticious one, not everyone can be anonymous) who asked "How did Joseph save his people"? I answer...
I presume you mean the Egyptian people. What happened was that he stored grain during the years of plenty. When the years of famine came he sold the grain back to the people. At least the people who wanted to buy it. So far I don't see any socialism there. When the people who had nothing else still needed grain they sold their labor to Pharoh in exchange for the grain. T
Those people became his "slaves", and this is how they defined "slavery". One fifth of everything they produced would belong to Pharoh, and four fifths would belong to them. In other words, the Bible called a 20% tax rate "slavery". That shows how far we have sunk- we are worse than these "slaves" as far more than 20% of the average earner is confiscated by a bloated government.
This was not a handout program. The people gave the government something for what they got. It was not even mandatory for those who had saved their own food during the times of plenty.
I don't grasp your point. Can you elaborate?
Peace of the Lord be with all of you. Forgive me when I get cranky. If I have been cross or out of line with any of you, I apologize.
This blog kinda sucks lately. You never update it. The Truth website and the ArkanasFamilyCoalition.blogspot.com sites are way better IMHO.
Drew,
That is an example we can all follow.
The Xanga site is good too.
Did Clint Reed take a job with the Rockefeller campaign? I seem him out at the bar with campaign staff at least once a week.
Clint Reed IS secretly on Rockefeller's staff. He sold out Asa.
Mike Beebe has some liberal leanings but the sad thing is if Win Beebe will become the most conservative candidate running for Governor. Mark my words Beebe will pull a Mark Pryor and run to the right of the Republican is Win is the nominee and Beebe would win.
Drew, I don't think you need to lecture Asa on sexual immorality. I was told by a Democrat friend of mine that you are a homosexual. Is that true? If it is then you need to confess your sins to the Lord and repent at once.
I know for a fact that Drew is gay.
You know what, I am gay. I live my life openly and honestly. Also, my peace is with Christ. I do not need to seek your approval or forgiveness by what you misconstrue the scriptures to say.
I take it Heterosexual and "Douche" which is an appropriate name, that you :
1.) Eat Pork
2.) Wear Mixed Fibers
3.) Stone to death children who speak back to their parents....
Shall we continue a lecture on Kosher Laws and their appropriateness compared with the Law of Grace.
BTW...."Douche"....how would you know for a FACT that I am gay, seeing as how I doubt we have slept together.
Drew, you picked three examples of Levitical Law from the Old Testiment. Romans Chapter One is very specific in in its condemnation of homosexuality. You cannot be in the will of the God and practice homosexuality.
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I'm a bundle of sticks tied together with string used to start a fire???
Funny, I always thought I was a human.
It seems that the topic of discussion has gotten way off course. We are supposed to be talking about the 2006 Republican Primary. As most of you I am not for either candidate.
Winn Rock is for abortion, and I believe Asa is a supporter of big governmet.
So I see both Candidates support the removal of our Constitutional Rights. Winn Rock opposes the right to life and Asa if for giving up some of our liberties.
What does that leave us with "The right to pursue happines."
Mike Beebe is a good choice for Governor, Terry.
How do you know this hillbilly bill? This sounds a little crazy to me?
let's tone down the rhetoric. I like talking up candidates not tearing down others. I am for Asa and would be glad to share why, butif this blog is just going to become a venue for foul language and name calling. I will not frequent it any longer.
This blog is somewhat gayish.
maumelle 03 and Terry are right. Coarse language has no place on this board. I honestly think that some ruthless persons are trying to sabotage the blog by spreading coarse insults around. The internet term for such individuals, who "participate" in a blog with the express goal of tearing it down, it "TROLLS". I urge you to ignore the trolls and keep up the rational discussion. We are doing well when we stick to that.
If trolls are out, email me at chairman@ cparkansas.org and tell me what thread. I can't delete their comments as fast as they put them up, but I will do my best.
Hillbilly billy,
What is so-called "truth" afraid of? My guess is TRUTH!
Go away, trolls!
I think your blog is cool. Ignore the trolls.
What do you think of this stuff about "The Truth"?
Is it someone working for Rockefeller? I know he hired a guy named Todd Rutherford to work for his campaign and he's from DC. You think there's a link? Speculating here.
Other Blogs say it is some old lady behind the Truth Blog.
Actually xanga.com/allpolitics is partially endorsing the work of the Family Blog:
"Wednesday, June 01, 2005
Other Blogs Are Reporting That "The Truth" Blog Is Run Out of D.C.
This is an interesting development. Apparently, the leader of the Truth Blog has been exposed as an elderly employee at the Transportation Department in D.C. that is old friends with some inside political hacks in Arkansas. The lady is said to be tech savvy (ruling out previous speculation that the Truthmeister is Hendrix University professor Jay Barth). Who would have known?"
Looks like Xanga.com has it wrong again, like they did when they claimed to know about Marion Berry and when they claimed Warwick Sabin was leaving the Arkansas Times and like they were wrong when they said Keith Emis was going to work for Asa Hutchinson (these "wrongs" were all within the last week!)
Don't trust what you read on Xanga.com/allpolitics, you will only be misread. At least when other blogs post things that they are not sure of they indicate so. Xanga.com/allpolitics is a worthless gossip rag written by some wanna-be kids. I wanted to give them a chance, in fact I did, but when they continue to print things that are not true day in and day out, you have to realize that are not worth reading.
I had to have a rather long fight with Xanga. However, they are trying. The Arkansas Truth is not that much better either. I prefer the Times and this blog, but am giving Xanga the old school try. With some seasoning it could improve.
Why are they CONSISTENTLY WRONG? Its probably some dork like Skinner Layne running it from his parents' basement.
Go read Xanga and see how many times in the last week they have reported something and its been DEAD WRONG. You'll find a lot there.
Go to the ArkTimes blog and they're not wring like that, this site is not wring like that, and arkansasfamilycoalition.blogspot.com is not WRONG LIKE XANGA ALMOST ALWAYS IS.
Its a joke. Some kids trying to start some nonsense.
I think the Xanga Blog is really funny.
Who cares if it is wrong from time to time? Every now and then there is some good stuff. I stress every now and then.
How's it funny? Its a desperate attempt at gossip. As someone who's name makes into legitimate blogs, I hate that those asses make things up with NO HINT OF TRUTH. How would you feel if you were like me and could be in there?
I can't believe that the previous contributer was Clint Reed. Let's not start impersonating people. Some people will believe that it is them.
I agree. In fact, I just looked at xanga/allpolitics and it has not even mentioned Clint Reed. Maybe they are thinking of another Blog.
My name makes it into other blogs because of my widespread statewide name id, but I could see the hate-mongers like Stewey Jones trying to tarnish my reputation.
Stuart Jones is not a hatemonger, Mr. Reed. He's a friend of mine who actually is a person of note. I don't know you....you probably are a good guy. But I ask you not use an emotional appeal when trying to compare your character to others like Stuart Jones.
Drew, you're gay right? Thats how you know R. Stuart Jones?
Stuart Jones is not gay.
At least not to my knowledge.
But even if he was, I know him because we attended college together.
NEWS FLASH....the majority of my friends are NOT gay....so don't assume gay people associate with just gay people!
Jones is definitely not gay, just ask half the women in Arkansas and surrounding states. If he were to be a Democrat, he would be more like Bill Clinton than Drew Pritt.
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That post is trash....pure and simple. It has no basis here. I also find that claim to be a bold and outright lie. Can you really come to a site with a Christian emphasis, make this post, and hope to stand before God blameless?
anonymous,
I am going to delete that one and give you a chance to think about whether it should be posted here. You are accusing him, by name, of a felony. Do you KNOW he is guilty?
Boy oh boy are the youngins jealous of R. Stuart Jones. I wish I knew who he was?
Yes I do. Jones had relations with a 15 year old.
If he is not guilty, then anonymous should pay the price. This Blog is getting really out of hand. All of this shit about R. Stuart Jones is just really over the top.
What was her name?
Her name is your mother.
I am screwing with you all. I have no idea who Jones is or if he had relations with an underage girl.
This was getting juicy. This Blog is turning into an X Rated affair.
It seems like all the blogs are juicy these days.
What we have here is a troll. In internet lingo a troll is a person who goes on an online forum with the purpose of disrupting the discussion rather than contributing to it.
I advise we ignore the troll.
Maybe someone from another blog does not like us so much.
We have been having some really good, very civilized discussions recently. The envy of some would threaten that. We must make a conscious effort to be civil and stay focused on a pursuit of truth and right. I don't want to go down to the troll's level.
BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Whoever is behaving this way, you have one warning. Your I.P. address can and will be traced. You will face charges in Court if you proceed.
Think I am bluffing....try me. But think of it this way....you willing to risk having a record....possibly a felony, or in the least, counts of Criminal Mischief on your record?
Thanks for stepping in Drew.
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