Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Bebee Jumps In, Win fires at Asa, Asa at Bebee

By Mark More (click "comments" below for article).


Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

Mike Bebee made it offical today. He is running for Governor. Here is how the Searcy radio station reported it (audio files link)

In the meantime, Win Rockefeller's campaign issued a press release that critized Asa Hutchinson for having a "kick-off" event in Washinton. The point of the release was that Asa's real "home" was in Virginia now, not Arkansas.

As for Asa, he was firing too, but not at Win Rock. Asa took aim at Mike Bebee for his commitment to raise taxes. Asa is acting like he is running against Bebee in the general election, not against Win Rockefeller in the primary. Is that a good idea? Can he afford to ignore a current state-wide officeholder with big bucks?

What is your impression of the day's events?

9:34 PM, June 14, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

Asa should see Winn as a strong opponent. In my opinion Bebee is the weekest of the three.

11:00 PM, June 14, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terry, you are dead on.

6:15 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appreciate Asa firing at the Democrat. Win should do the same thing - quit trying to hurt a fellow Republican. The enemy is the Democrat.

6:42 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Terry....what does it mean that Beebe is the "weekest"?

might need to go back to that 3rd grader speller.....

6:47 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Conservative said...

Win Rock is Toast. He pro-choice, pro-tax, and out of touch. Asa will beat him like a red headed step child.

Mike Beebe is the real opponent. All Conservatives need to join the cause and expose Mike Beebe for who he really is. Beebe = higher taxes, corruption, cronyism, and a far leftist agenda.

6:56 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Mr KnowItAll said...

The "enemy" is right wing nuts who perceive democrats as the "enemy". Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you say but will defend to my death your right to say it" ?

7:10 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All right, by enemy I obviously mean political enemy- just like the Longhorns are our football enemy. It does not mean that I hate liberals or Texans. It's what we call a metaphore. Calm down fella.

7:16 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Mr. KnowItAll said...

the word enemy is flying around alot today and it is a relief to know your not my enemy. We, as Americans, have to many problems to solve without fighting each other.

7:42 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be so sensitive. That's like telling Coach Nutt to never say "let's go kill em!" You sound like Stuart Smalley.

9:02 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got another letter from Win on Abortion. I guess the polls show his DC manager that his first letter didn't convince us so he repeats it again and again.

9:04 AM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The email heading from Win said "abortion shouldn't be an issue in this race" What are you kidding me. How dare he say that abortion shouldn't be an issue. For me its the issue.

3:49 PM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Asa - Asa is being criticized by the Arkansas Times for not raising taxes. I love it when they attack people for being for less government taking. We just pick up votes.

6:30 PM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Mr. KnowItAll said...

Our schools are falling apart, over 400 factories set idle, Our tax system is a joke in that it is so regressive, each week more and more Arkansan's health care is dropped, and all you care about is abortion?

8:35 PM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Mr. KnowItAll said...

Asa is a Bush butt boy. That is going to be a heavy chain around his neck. Chainsaw George will have a approval rating under 30 percent next year.

8:42 PM, June 15, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

The schools in NWA are not falling apart. Most of them are nicer than my house. The communities that make having good schools a priority seem to have them. The communities that don't much care don't. That won't change no matter how many wheelbarrows full of other people's money the judges order us to throw at the problem.

The best way to get the 400 factories moving again is to shrink government taxes and regulations and unchain the free market- along with a healthy dose of protectionism from predatory economies that won't play by the rules (such as China). Starting a government program to re-open those 400 factories making widgets or whatever is a waste of resources. They will wind up making stuff that people would not buy if they had to pay the true cost.

As for health care, the reason it is getting dropped is because it is so expensive. The reason it is so expensive is because the government is throwing so much money at it that it is causing massive inflation in that realm. Add to it excessive regulations on all medical practices except abortion.

9:13 PM, June 15, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

And what is so bad about caring about the death of 40 million innocent lives? Their loss negatively affects our econmoy, Social Security, National Security, and promotes illegal immigration.

9:15 PM, June 15, 2005  
Anonymous Mr. KnowItAll said...

The schools on NWA are a joke. look at what the graduation rates are. Look at the college drop out rate is. Look to see Arkansas is lowest of the lows on college graduates. Widget making doesn't pay much we need good tech jobs and need to train our work force so we can move in that direction.
The tax thing you talk about is a myth. Sure Reagan cut tax's but the next year he raised them. the empirical data of jobs to tax relief is not compelling. Look at the tax relief for jobs efforts of the last few years. it's a freakin joke.
Your explanation of heath care is confusing. You need to rethink it

5:45 AM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Jenny said...

I am so tired of hearing about "Asa's really pro-life and Win's not". Do you people honestly believe that one day we'll all head to the polls and vote on a constitutional amendment banning abortion? IT WON'T HAPPEN. The last time I checked, the only candidates whose stance on abortion mattered were running for US Senate or President (Pres. nominating judges, Senate confirming them). The Governor of Arkansas does not legislate abortion AND HE NEVER WILL. It is not a states' rights issue, thus, it is a non-issue in this race. Now, can someone tell me what Asa, Win, and Beebe want to do about bringing business/jobs to AR, our failing education system, and taxes?

6:13 AM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Lifer said...

Jenny, the U.S. Supreme Court is one vote away from overturning Roe vs. Wade. When that happens abortion will again be a states rights issue. It is of the utmost importance that we elect a real pro-life candidate to the Governor's office. Asa is the only candidate that we can trust on this issue.

6:27 AM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lifer is right. There is a real chance that Roe v. Wade will be overturned and then there will be a monumental fight at the state level. We need a Govenor who will fight and use the bully pulpit to call people to examine their conscience. This is a critical election for the pro-life movement.

6:53 AM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Jenny said...

Lifer, if the Supreme Court does decide to vote on Roe v. Wade, it will most likely occur after Rehnquist retires. He will probably be replaced with a more moderate judge, considering all the fuss over filibustering, etc. we've been experiencing in the Senate. I just think voters should put more stock in what a candidate stands for on things he CAN change, not things that COULD change. So, unless the Supreme Court overturns its decision by next May, abortion is a non-issue regarding Asa and Win. The same goes for next November between the R and Mike Beebe.

6:55 AM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In case it isn't too well known on this blog, even the City of FayetteNam voted down and increase in property taxes recently. So, Hutchinson has it right. Very few people want a tax increase and will give due consideration to the candidate that promises to avoid that.

9:52 AM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Mr. KnowItAll said...

Not only do we need a governor not to raise tax's. We need a governor who will not spend our money on stupid inefficient computer software that doesn't work.How many millions has the huckster sucked out of us for that?

10:15 AM, June 16, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

I hope one day the Constitution Party will one obatin ballot access in Arkansas. Then voters like myself will have someone to vote for.

12:50 PM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous NO Tax Tim said...

If the crazies of Fayettanm voted down a mill increase then nobody in this state will support Beebe in his attempt to rasie Property Taxes.

3:14 PM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Lifer said...

Jenny, Rehnquist is likely to retire this year. Considering the type of people Bush has nominated to serve his administration (Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, Rice, Pearle, Cheney and Co.), I doubt he will nominate a monderate to replace Rhenquist.

It is vital that we in Arkansas be prepared for the day we have the opportunity to overturn Roe. This situation is like the parable that Christ told of the virgins trimming ther wicks. We most always remain vigilent in protecting life, and electing Asa is the only way to do that.

3:21 PM, June 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

I would not vote for an abortion supporter for public office even if the duties of the office had nothing to do with abortion.

I want somebody in office that thinks my rights are unalieanable, even if I am in no position to defend them myself. If a politician will trade away the rights of the unborn, he will trade away mine as well if they are ever in a position to get away with it.

8:32 PM, June 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

I would not vote for an abortion supporter for public office even if the duties of the office had nothing to do with abortion.

I want somebody in office that thinks my rights are unalieanable, even if I am in no position to defend them myself. If a politician will trade away the rights of the unborn, he will trade away mine as well if they are ever in a position to get away with it.

8:32 PM, June 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

Mr. Knowitall,

The schools in NWA may be a joke, but it is not because they are underfunded. They may be underdisciplined or they may be poorly led, but that is different from the funding issue.

As for public schools providing workforce training, that sounds like crony capitalism to me, with business and government getting together to pick which industries get their training costs deferred to the taxpayer. If adopted whole-heartedly, it will be more like the Soviet Block style education system, whose goal was to produce workers to build the state-controlled econmoy. How did that work for them?

In today's fast changing economy, no government program could ever hope to keep up with worker training. We have to let the market do it.

The tax cuts only produce more jobs if they are used to buy things made by your own country, not used to buy subsidized imports from an non-free market economy. I am not a supporter of the President's economic plans. We need protectionism from economies that won't play by the rules.

8:39 PM, June 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...


If I left anything off, you are wrong about that too! (little joke there).

8:40 PM, June 16, 2005  
Anonymous Jenny said...

Lifer and Mark, I understand your thoughts on this issue, and I think it's great you are both unwavering in your belief. But I ask you this--are you a one issue voter? Is pro-life the only thing you base your vote on? It's been said many times on this blog and others that Win has "flipflopped" on being pro-life. I just can't believe that--he's adopted seriously disabled children that others have abandoned and he's not for life? I just have a hard time believing that he's "changed his mind" on this issue and I can't understand why others haven't seen this as well.

5:51 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jenny, The reason we say that he has changed his mind is because up until a few months ago he identified himself as pro-choice. That's right he identified himself as pro-choice. I'm glad he adopted that child, but there are 30 million othe babies that his position of pro-choice has allowed to be killed. I hope you understand our concern now.

6:38 AM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

The killing of the unborn is the greatest issue that our nation is facing. I will not vote for anyone who claims to be pro-choice. Even if they are running for dog catcher.

7:08 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Jenny said...

Terry, I respect your opinion, but I'm going to have to disagree. While I think abortion is a big issue here in the US and Arkansas, I'm more worried about education and competing in the global economy, taxes, and the war on terrorism. Only through strengthening our education system will those other issues change--I have know many people who started out in college as pro-choice, but through classes and seeing the brutality of abortion, changed their mind to pro-life.

7:31 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I am a staunch pro-lifer too, but quotes like this:

"And what is so bad about caring about the death of 40 million innocent lives? Their loss negatively affects our econmoy, Social Security, National Security, and promotes illegal immigration."

are what make candidates like Jim Holt and yourself portrayed as lunatics. You can not win a statewide election saying things like that. The electorate does not want crazies in office. It scares them.

7:58 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Jenny said...

Can someone explain to me how 40 million innocent lives taken negatively affects our enonomy, etc.? I'm not trying to be facetious, just want to know the facts.

9:03 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You can not win a statewide election saying things like that. The electorate does not want crazies in office."

We desperately need politicians that would stand up for what is right without having to worry about how that would offend the electorates. We do not need politicans that seemingly strive to pander to the center or to the left in order to just WIN ELECTIONS!

I would take a "crazy", "lunatic" but true conservative any day over a spineless Republican or Democrat who just wants to please the elites of the party and government (even though they claim to be conservative whenever it suits their purpose of campaigning to WIN ELECTIONS). At least the true conservatives won't stab you in the back like Huckabee and the likes have done, giving a black eye to the conservative cause in this state. Why do we need to fill the chambers of the Capitol in Little Rock with conservatives-in-name-only? Sure, they WIN ELECTIONS, but they sure haven't done much to reform the corrupt government we have in this state. So why do real conservatives always get lectured to elect the "most winnable and yet not effective in the duties of his office" when it comes election time? Just so that these spineless and do-nothing-to-cause-waves and so-called conservatives can milk the Arkansas taxpayers drier than they already have?! DISTURBING!

10:14 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeni, If you change in college that's great, it's change that occurrs when you find out you have a strong pro-life candidate in the primary that is rather sickening.

11:58 AM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In an email from the Rockefeller campaign, Win tells us that aborion shouldn't be an issue in the race. Why not? if he really is so pro-life. The following is an exerpt from the Rockefeller email.


In a recent column Sanders hinted that Lt. Gov. Win Rockefeller is relenting to pressure from the religious right by changing his position on the issue. Sanders went on to quote noted Jay Barth, who claims that Rockefeller is simply attempting to win over the “potent” pro-life movement by changing his stance. What Sanders and Barth both fail to grasp is that, perhaps, the lieutenant governor is telling the truth when he says that “prayer” and “reflection” have brought him to this point.

Perhaps the most unfortunate part of this debate is this one fact. Abortion should not be part of the Arkansas race for governor. We as Republicans have fought hard to give this state a true 2-party system. Now we are tearing each other apart over an issue that the governor of this state will most likely never have to address.

Once our focus stops being on issues that have no bearing in this race our party can truly be part of the future in Arkansas. If we fail to move on from this, we are doomed to lose the advantage we have worked so hard to achieve.

1:02 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

Exodus 21:22 "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished,according as the woman's husband will lay upon him: and shall pay as the Judges determine."

Exodus 21:23 "And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life."

The United States will someday feel God's wrath for making abortion legal. Nations, just like people,will one day answer to God.

4:37 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

Consevatives can be seperated into two groups; For example Howard Phillips, and members of the Constitution Party would be classified as Paleoconservatives. I condidser myself this type of Conservative.

The other group would be Neoconservatives. Asa is this type of Coservative, because he supports
Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act.

Win Rock is just plain Liberal, because he is pro-choice.

6:45 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

To "anonoymous"

How am I a "crazy" and apparent "lunatic" for saying abortion hurts America? Surely the lunatics are those who think that it is OK to suck out a baby's brains! I mean a person who thinks that it is OK to chop an unborn baby in pieces and vacuum out the parts have to be the crazies. Those are the kind of amoral people that I would be scared to have in office.

Those abortion supporters, and ignorers, are the lunatics, and I make it my business to stop this madness, not sweep it under the rug. All the rug sweepers share in the guilt.

Abortion is a grievious wrong. In my view, the only moral, responsible, and sane course of action is to publically oppose it at every turn.

8:12 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

To jenny,

Do I really have to explain how the loss of 40 million American lives since 1973 has hurt our country?

I want you to imagine that every single human being in Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, both Dakotas, New Mexico, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Minnisota, Iowa, MIssouri, Arkansas, Louisianna, and Mississippi have been killed.

Do you think that would make us a stronger nation, or a weaker one? Do you think it would make us a richer nation, or a poorer one? All of their labor, all of their creativity and industry, would be lost to us forever. THAT is the number of people that have died by the abortionist's hands. All of those states- completely depopulated. Every single person killed.

But the situation is even worse than that. Were the states wiped out, old and young alike would die. In this case, only the youngest die, so we lose more years and produce an imbalance between older and younger people. This means that Social Security will face a crisis as the generation that aborted thier children away will be drawing funds from a smaller pool of workers. The economic distortions mean that over the last 15 years (1973+ about 20 years) we have faced a shortage of people who were "entry level worker" age. That produces economic pressure for what? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! That will in turn produce a host of other ills as cultures clash.

Meanwhile, the women who have had abortions are often damaged physcially, emotionally, physcologically and reproductively. That is a lot of damaged women. A lot of pain.

This national sin is a blight on our country whose bitter fruit we are just now being forced to taste.

8:29 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...


As to me being a "one issue" voter- suppose a candidate was a cannibal. Would you rule out supporting him because he ate other humans? What if he were a grand dragon in the Klan? Would you refuse to consider supporting him just for that? What if they were meth dealers, are you going to be a "one issue voter" and refuse to consider them?

There is no way I can trust the judgement or the morality of someone who thinks abortion is OK. As with each of the instances above, doing so would rule out the possiblity of garnering my support.

I don't automatically support someone who claims they are pro-life, but anyone who doesn't automatically loses my support.

10:58 PM, June 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I rest my case. You're argument that abortion is wrong is correct but the argument that abortion causes problems to Social Security and creates illegal immigration is idiotic and is the reason why your party will never be more than a handful of lunatics on a blog.

2:50 PM, June 18, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

Rest your case? You haven't made a case. Calling my position "idiodic" and calling those who hold my position "lunatics" is not making a case. It is just name calling.

What part of my case can you find anything to refute? Do you deny that the worker/retiree ratio in America is declining? Do you deny that the lower it gets the more problems there will be funding SS at it's current levels? Do you deny there have been 40 million abortions in America since 1973? Do you deny that if those 40 million young people had been allowed to live that we would have a better worker/retiree ratio?

You have not refuted a single argument I have made. You only hurled insults. Care to try again?

4:50 PM, June 18, 2005  
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4:56 PM, June 18, 2005  
Anonymous Ferment said...

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7:45 PM, June 18, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A piece of advice to the Rockefeller supporters. You are not helping your guy. Don't try to convince us that abortion is not an important issue. It won't work and frankly it makes me mad.

11:16 AM, June 19, 2005  
Anonymous The Anonymous Coward said...

I think abortion should always be an issue in every race, even dog catcher. Politicians almost always start out in races where "abortion should not be an issue." Later, as they have gained political power they always end up running for an office where it is an issue.

We need to stand firmly against abortion in every race. That way we can nip that monsterous and murderous mindset in the bud before it is too late.

As for Win Rock, his conversion to the pro-life camp is probably sincere. I have no reason to doubt that fact. Nonetheless, his deeds are yet to match his words. Once I have seen him take definate pro-life action, I will have no choice but to suspect him.

Has anyone asked Bebee if he is pro-life? What has his voting record been?


The Anonymous Coward

12:19 AM, June 20, 2005  
Anonymous Jenny said...

Thanks, Mark, for the clarification of those points.

7:08 AM, June 22, 2005  
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