Thursday, December 15, 2005

How Can a "Fringe Candidate" Keep Getting it Right?

"Fringe candidate" and "Oddball Extremist" are just a few of the insulting monikers that establishment media types have recently hurled at a family man from Springdale who serves in the Arkansas Legislature. Strangely, every time their mudslinging is put to an electoral test, the positions of the "Fringe Candidate" turn out to be mainstream and the positions of the mudslinging Establishment media turn out to be fringe.....

By Debbie Pelley (click "comments" below for article).

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REASON: DREW PRITT JUMPED ON AND TRIED TO TURN IT INTO YET ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT YOU-KNOW-WHAT AND ACTED SHOCKED AND OFFENDED WHEN WE OBJECTED TO OVERTURNING 2,000 YEARS OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE ON HIS SAY-SO.

25 Comments:

Blogger Debbie Pelley said...

Senator Holt has once again taken the narrow political road despite pressure to "go along to get along". And once again, Holt has proven to be more mainstream than the forces in this state that are trying to marginalize him.

His stand on the bond issues is just the latest example of this pattern. About sixty-two percent of the voters voted against the highway bond plan, along with Senator Jim Holt who announced his opposition in a press release about the first of December. He was the only Republican candidate to oppose the plan. Holt's primary opponents for the Republican Lt. Governor nomination, Rep. Doug Matayo and Chuck Banks, actively campaigned for its passage.

The establishment press continues to try to paint Senator Holt as a "fringe candidate". The Arkansas Democrat Gazette editorial endorsed both bond plans the day of the election. About thrity-eight percent of the voters agreed with those guys that keep trying to paint Senator Holt as a "fringe candidate", and sixty-two percent agreed with Senator Holt on the highway bond plan.

In fact, a few days ago, in their umpteenth editorial blasting Holt, the Arkansas Democrat Gazette’s editorial mocked Holt for “not having a clue” about the things going on in Arkansas. Previously, the Gazette editorials had also blasted Holt on two other issues: 1) Working for the Marriage Amendment (75% voted with Holt on this issue, 25% with the Democrat Gazette), and 2) Working against college scholarships for illegal aliens at taxpayer expense (it is fair to say 75% to 80% of the people in Arkansas agree with Holt on this illegal alien issue).

It appears that Holt has “more than a clue” about the people’s hearts. Once more an election has shown that Holt has views that are mainstream, and that it is in fact his critics that are "fringe". Sure they have been around a while, sure they are "establishment". Nevertheless, in terms of their positions on issues the term "fringe" can far more fairly be applied to them than to Jim Holt.

The next big thing is going to be education. The Lakeview ruling may force a constitutional crisis, with the Judges practically ordering the legislature to raise taxes and spend more money. Watch real close how the establishment types suggest handling it, then see what Jim Holt has to say. Then ignore the noise from the establishment and decide for yourself whose plan reflects what you want from your government.
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10:54 PM


Jason Sheppard said...
Great post, Debbie!

6:40 AM


Harvey Edwards said...
It is true that anytime someone is for doing good for the people and by Gods direction he or she will immediatly take all the wrath of the nay saying left . I consider it a badge of honor to be considered a right wing extremist. It scares the other side half to death, but of course that other side is actually a small minority who are afraid of the truth. And we shouldnt take the left too seriously.

8:25 AM

8:55 AM, December 16, 2005  
Anonymous J C Taylor said...

Debbie, Thank you so much for speaking out for Jim. He is a good man with a good heart. He is a wonderful husband and dad. I know this for a fact. I'm his mother-in-law and am proud to say so.
Again Thank you so very much.
MeeMaw of a wonderful family.

7:12 PM, December 16, 2005  
Blogger Drew Pritt said...

I have two main comments to make and I want you to take them to heart. The politicizing of Christianity as conservative or liberal is sinful. In the famous dialogue from CHARIOTS OF FIRE, "God is not a politician. He does not need to stand for reelection. God is a monarch, an absolute monarch. .... So God is a dictator? Ah yes my boy, but a benevolent dictator."

What these Scotsmen were discussing is that Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. NO POLITICAL PARTY has a right to say they are the party of God. To do so is an afront to God himself. Also to say one party has more pro-Christian policies is equally insulting.

God said feed the hungry, take care of the sick, visit those in prison, take care of the poor, etc. One could say those are liberal ideas. Also, God ordained in Israel the erasing debt after seven years. There are many LIBERAL as well as conservative policies.

So please, Harvey, stop trying to claim God. Claim him yes, but realize we all are God's children. Remember God came not for the well, but the sick. He stayed around the rejected of society and not in a fancy church.

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Second, I have never made my orientation an issue. The press has done it before and pushed the envelope. More disturbing is that people like Terry McDermott praise God out of one mouth, and even some of you, and curse me with the other.

I am a Christian. I am a Child of God. I do not make my orientation an issue, nor do I glorify in it. I glorify in the strength God gives me. I seek God's will for my life and follow it. In my life I try to do better for those around me. I believe service above self is my ministry.

Jim Holt and I both are brothers in Christ and we visit by phone, often. We have found common ground, so what I am saying is to those few of you who cast me away, I say search your heart. Christ is not glorified when ANY of you slam me the way I have been attacked over and over again, or villified, or treated with scorn.

Keep these two things in mind, if you wish to be involved in politics and be a witness for Christ. Remember the word Christian means Christ-like.

With peace!

7:28 PM, December 16, 2005  
Blogger Mr. Toast said...

Drew, you're always making your homosexual perversion the issue by constantly trying to convince everyone that you're on equal religious footing with them (you may be religious, but you're not the Bible's definition of Christian. And as far as being Christ-like, I think we'd all agree that Christ was definitely not a homosexual).
I don't know how many threads you've ruined by preaching your brand of religion at us, but I suppose this will be another one of them.

8:28 PM, December 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

To the contrary Mr. Pritt, whatever you become involved in becomes centered around YOUR SEXUAL PROCLIVITIES. That and your need to blaspheme by declaring that your sin is not sin at all and that God will not judge you for it.

It is sin, unrepented of sin especially, that destroys fellowship. Fellowship between God and man and also man and man.

You are constantly trumpheting the fact that Holt fellowships with you and so we should too. Once he realizes that you are using him to attempt to rationalize and normalize sinful behavior my guess is that he will be compelled to break fellowship- and it will be your doing not his. YOU are the one misusing whatever friendship he offered by turning it into a propaganda intrument for your crusade to undermine the Bible's teachings on homosexuality.

By my understanding of 1st Corth. 5 verses 9 on is that we should not have fellowship with people who claim to be Christians yet embrace a sinful life style. Were you a Christian we could fellowship, or if you were a homosexual we could fellowship, but not one who claims to be both.

You are trying to delude God, but the Bible teaches that one who attempts that will wind up deluding themselves.

Repent, so that your soul will not be lost to Him forever.

9:12 PM, December 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

I also reject the man's argument that basically tries to draw a moral equivilence between all political parties. They are not morally equivilent. Some are more in line with God's will than others. That does not mean that they "own God", but that they are closer to acknowledgeing that God owns them. The Constitution and Republican parties have platforms that are closer to the Bible's teaching about the proper role and limitations of government than the Democratic party is. I reject the attempts at moral equivilence.

9:15 PM, December 16, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Equal religious footing"...What the heck does that mean?!? I wouldn't claim that any of us is more or less of a Christian than the other. The is only one way to be a Christian, and that is through Jesus Christ. That's all. No one is more born-again than another person. The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is a sin, but it also says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..." Come on and set a Christ-like example.

9:17 PM, December 16, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

You would not claim that Mother Teresa was more Christian than Saddam Hussien or Jim Jones or a priest that molested twenty children? Why not?

....and didn't he tell the women that he saved from the stoning to "go and SIN NO MORE"? Pritt would at that point get huffy with Christ and start correcting him that he was not a sinner!

9:24 PM, December 16, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark. this is the best thread you have had. Very well reasoned responses to Pritt. This is far more effective than the name calling and dismissing of him by others. That only makes him a martyr and he revels in that. Thank you for your thoughtful disection of his arguments.

7:29 AM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

Praise God for His Light of Reason and Truth.

We live in a perverse age where Tolerence is the only acknowledged virtue and calling something immoral is the only acknowledged vice. That kind of thinking is like a cancer eating away at our powers of reason and thus the very fabric of our society.

Society has rejected the idea of sin, and thus the need for repentence. Even the unrepentant BTK killer claims he is a Christian. He murdered one little girl's family and just before he strangled her told her not to worry because she was going to heaven. You would not judge this man as any less of a "Christian" than Pope Benedict would you? Why you judgemental intolerent person! Clearly he "believes", he just sees no need to repent!

The culture has tried to take repentence out of salvation. The Bible teaches that it is essential. Guess who is right.

9:19 AM, December 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But I'd heard that BTK called Jim Holt from his jail cell and found some common ground during the ensuing discussion.
Happy New Year!

10:09 AM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Drew Pritt said...

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. Since you want to be so trite in "interpreting God's thoughts on the the homosexual lifestyle", I must think you are reading from Leviticus 18:22 which clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate, right?

So if Leviticus is the end all of this debate, I must ask :

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9).The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman, including shaking hands, while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24).The problem is, how does one tell these things? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev.25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev.11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. As is very clear that I wear glasses, does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev.11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes a person unclean. So when the Hogs begin to play football should they wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend. He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that the "Word" is eternal and unchanging.

(Adapted from a letter from my good friend, Cheryl)

2:16 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

So is mockery your answer? I told you where I was reading from. First Corinthians Chapter 5. Romans Chapter one would be a good one too. Did you notice those are from the New Testament? I don't want to kill you Drew. I want you to be set free.

2:31 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Drew Pritt said...

Mark, the mockery is to show the ridiculousness of your arguments. You point to a verse in the New Testament and base theology all on it.

What was the message of Christ? LOVE, MERCY, CHARITY, FORGIVENESS.

Moreover, show me ONCE where Jesus Christ condemns homosexuality. You cannot condemn a person for who they are, for how they are born.

Also, you prejudge me to be in a "homosexual lifestyle." Why not define what you mean about that.

I did NOT want to debate this subject, but I can only be baited for so long. The plank is in your eye.

3:12 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

Drew Pritt

Sodomy was condemned in the Old Testament, just like stealing and murder. But you think that Jesus gave eveyone a free ticket to sin. He did not. What was a sin in Old Testament times is still a sin today.

Plus you picture Christ as being full of love and compassion. And he is. But also remember God is also a God of wrath. He will not tolerate a nation full of sin and sodomy.

I generally dont say anything about a person's religion, But Drew many clergy in your denomination promote sodomy and abortion. I guess they are your religious mentors.

3:41 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Mr. Toast said...

Jesus never condemned pedophilia, either. I guess you don't have problems with child molesters?

2000 years of consistent church teaching on this subject, and Drew Pritt and the other homosexuals of the 21st century are the first theological pioneers to figure out that a person can be Christian and a sodomite!

4:32 PM, December 17, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saddam Hussein is not a professing believer and Jim Jones was a mass-murderer. That argument is like trying to decide who was the better Christian--Hitler or Charles Manson. Neither one!! Mr. Moore, you need to remember that you are not God--you aren't supposed to sit in judgement. Homosexuality is a clear sin to be sure, but we are all called to love our neighbor as ourselves. Pray for Mr. Pritt, but don't trash him or pretend to be any better. No of us are. Jesus is the only One who makes us worth anything.

5:10 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Drew Pritt said...

Both of you, Terry & Toast, are way out of line. Do not presume to use the name Christian to spread your way of sin and lies. God never gave you carte blanche to pass judgement on others.

Terry, you first. How DARE you come into here with such a self-righteous attitude. You have wickedly wrote lies about me and my family and seem to enjoy it. You have taunted me to fight you. You have generally acted like a jerk and think you should be praised.

Shall we list all your sins and begin to make characterizations? Judge not, lest ye be judged. For what so ever manner of judgement you pass on your fellow man, so you shall be equally judged.

Terry you are the theological version of someone who stands up in a crowded movie theatre and screams FIRE.

You attack the Anglican faith. Do you presume to attack the church of John Wesley, C.S. Lewis, and some other minds of peace today, like our very own Bishop Larry Maze?

Toast, there is a difference between pedophelia and homosexuality. One is who a person is created to be, while one is an illness.

Do you care to also point out that 82% of pedophelia cases, according to the American Psychiatric Association are committed by heterosexuals. So does that mean we should watch you more closely?

You cannot swing so far to the extreme and then act like you are protected.

What is the chief commandment?

LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, ALL YOUR MIND, ALL YOUR SOUL. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. ON THESE HANG ALL THE COMMANDMENTS.

Those are the words of Jesus Christ.

By being who I am, being celibate, honoring God, seeking him daily, am I accomplishing that above ... yes!

You say I sin simply by being gay. That is as refutably ignorant as saying God favors one race over another or that God gave Joseph Smith further commandments.

These are not the statements of brothers in Christ speaking from love. Rather they are boastful, self-righteous, self-serving statements made by a sinner proud in his own eyes.

Where, Toast or Terry, do you glorify God in your statements? Where do you further the good news of Christ with your statements?

5:13 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

Drew I never did lie on your brother. I simply stated was he said about the EEOC. And the American Anglican Church is not the church of C.S. Lewis. The Church of England sees sodomy as a sin.

Drew you simple cannot take the heat that comes with being in the political game. I advise you to save face and get out of politics. I tuly think you will face a nasty defeat in the Democratic Primary.

6:03 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Drew Pritt said...

Mr. McDermott you attacked my brother. Do not presume to lie. Second you are completely ignorant of the Anglican Communion to make that statement. There is nothing I know of the American Anglican Church.

You are a vile creature to accuse me of sodomy. Because I do not practice sodomy.

Sodomy is any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.

So I suggest you stop lying and making claims about me that are not true. As far as the heat, I'm still in this game. I have had my name drug through the mud. I have had leacherous stalkers like you lie, smear, attack, and seek to destroy me and I am still standing.

Mr. McDermott, as far as your advice, I do not seek the counsel of liars.

7:13 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Drew Pritt said...

BTW, Mr. McDermott :

LIE # 1 - "The last man who announced his candidacy came to my town and was in the Annual Crossett Rodeo Parade. His name is Drew Pritt from Warren, which is less than an hour away from Crossett."

TRUTH - I did not come to Crossett for the Annual Rodeo Parade. Nor, was I the last candidate to announce for Lt. Governor. That was Jay Martin.

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LIE # 2 - "Today I talked to a girl from Warren, who said he was a strange bird and has ran for public office on several occasions . In every race he has been badly defeated."

TRUTH - I ran for Democratic County Committeeman and won three times. In 2002 I ran for City Council and ran a strong race, though losing. My only bad defeat was an ill-concieved race for County Judge in 2004, when I ran last in a field of four primary candidates.

I DID endorse the incumbent County Judge who won by 15 votes in the runoff. Most of my supporters supported him in the runoff.

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LIE # 3 - "He claims to be a Political Consultant who worked on Wesley Clark's Presidential Campaign in Wisconsin."

TRUTH - There is no CLAIMING about it. I AM a political consultant. If I am not, then please tell the I.R.S. so I can be redeemed all the money I have paid in taxes since 1995. Furthermore, there no claim to working for Clark. I WAS a paid staffer, which is verified on his FEC Records. It also was New Hampshire, besides Wisconsin.

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LIE # 4 - "Pritt has also ran for Congress in Wisconsin and Tennessee."

TRUTH - I did no such thing. I explored a race for a month in Wisconsin and backed off. I also explored a race in Tennessee while there and backed off early. I never RAN, announced, or any other such nonsense.

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LIE # 5 - "Before entering the Lt. Governor's race, Pritt had endorsed all the other Democratic Candidates."

TRUTH - I NEVER endorsed Hathorn, Wooldridge, or Martin. I supported Kevin Smith and when he decided not to run, I assisted Gene Yarbrough who also chose not to run.

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LIE # 6 - "A source called me today and said that Pritt had marched down the streets of Warren saying he was gay."

TRUTH - NEVER .... thats a bold faced lie about me and any sane person knows it!

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LIE # 7 - "The other day I saw article in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette about Drew Pritt. Howie Goldklang, of Establishment Productions, is making a movie about Drew Pritt being the first openly gay to run for state-wide office in Arkansas. Drew Pritt's campaign was to kick off last Thursday, and the movie crew was to be present."

TRUTH - The movie is NOT about me being gay and running for office. Its about me being an underdog candidate. Also, my campaign was NEVER kicking off when you claimed.

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You Mr. McDermott have lied, and just said whatever sounds good to attack me. You keep forcing the issue of me being gay. You attack me, call me a strange bird, a wierdo, and other names.

Furthermore, Mr. McDermott, you are creating an atmosphere of false truth. Me being gay sickens your stomach. You claiming the mantle of Christ and trying to be the Moral Police sickens mine. Especially when I proved you in eight lies already.

The Bible is much more clear about those with a lying tongue, sir!

7:35 PM, December 17, 2005  
Anonymous David B. Pritt said...

I have spent some time perusing this blogspot, and while I generally disagree with Andrew politically, I have to agree that in some areas Mr McDermott, you are wrong.

I like Bill O'Reilly. Not because he is a conservative, but because he gives everyone a chance to speak. After 20 some years in the military, I do believe that is one of the fundamental rights I have fought for.

Now while Andrew can be viewed as a strange bird in your view, at least emulate Bill O'Reilly, and get the facts straight. So, since you didn't do it the first time, lets enter my no spin zone:

Andrews gay ( or at least says he is). I don't like the gay lifestyle, but our current government has an EEO policy that accepts such lifestyles. ( The military is still one of the last bastions of morality, but strangely it doesn't reflect our governments view on someones sexual orientation). So, your comment publically that Andrew being gay 'makes your stomach turn', indicates to me that you are not an endorser of the Equal Employees Opportunity act of Congress.. how sad. I can deal with it, but apparently you can't. Andrew will have to answer for his lifestyle before God: not you.

Andrew was not a write in for the position of County Judge in Bradley county. He was a candidate on the ballots, and while he didn't win, ran a good race. If it weren't for his lifestyle issue, he probably would have won.

Andrew is endorsed and accepted by some big political candidates. I have personally met Mike Beebe, and Wesley Clark, [Gen, Ret.] who both have spoken highly of Andrew. I also remember that when Former President Clinton's mother passed away, Andrew was invited to the funeral, and the graveside service ( which was very closed and very exclusive). Were you there? Oohh , being a Republican, you were probably lambasting President Clinton, and forgetting the admonition in Rom 13 to pray for your leaders.. Thats why I abandoned the Republican party. For a group which claims to hold to high moral values, and Christian ideologies, when it comes to it, the walk isn't there. I classify myself as conservatively independant.

Just get your facts straight, quit taking cheap shots at Andrew.. compare his policies to your candidate, not his lifestyle. As for your other comment about him not posting information beforehand to dissuade his political opponents from showing up and heckling him.... ha ha sounds like a shrewd move to me. You just sound disappointed.

As for Pam Snyder.. your profile is like mine.. bare except you posted a blog title that says you started the blog to follow the political career of Drew Pritt. How much of him do you know other than his skeletons?
Also the cheap comment about him resigning to run for the office of sewage management was tacky.. but then again, I suppose that is your status quo.

When will we, as Americans, quit worrying about the moral terpitude of our leaders? Obviously if we search long and hard enough, we can find dirt on anyone. ( That includes me, you, anyone ). Shouldn't we be focusing on their management qualities and/or their proposed policies. In a country where we elect a moviestar as a President ( a darn goodone at that I might add), and a philanthoper as a President, shouldn't we all realize that running for office is as fundamentally a right as the right to vote? Let the American ( and in this case Arkansan ) people have their say in their vote...

Comment on his proposed policies..just leave his personal life alone, because it just doesn't matter. Our moral standing as a people in this country is shallow and fake. As one who has lived all around the world, I can tell you that from personal experience. We are a rich country, and we give mightily, but in other countries when people say they profess Christ, they show it in their lives. In all areas. The south is infamous in my book for having a polished veneer of spirituality.. it looks clean on the outside and yet , like the sepulchres Jesus mentioned, its dead and decaying inside. We can build Church buildings, but when it comes to discipleship, and building solid Christian communities, we fail. So our political leaders reflect our present spiritual standing.

Jo Janoski says Andrew "..sounds like the ultimate politician, saying whatever is needed to impress the audience of the moment, with different views for different audiences..." Hey, congratulations Miss Janoski, you just discovered the secret of politics.. the Republican party not withstanding. And as Christians, we blindly follow the GOP thinking that all the while, Jesus has a cardboard cutout of the Big Elephant around his throne.

Quit the mudslinging... it reeks like that paper plant you work in.

OH and BTW, there was a TV crew that came down and did a documentary on Andrew. I even have my own camcorder coverage of them filming him.. wierd things happen in America Mr McDermott..even for strange birds like Andrew.

7:36 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

"I did not want to be baited on this subject"

You CAME baited. No, you did not want to be baited, you wanted to revoke 2,000 years of Christian theology and have us all roll over without a fight.

And your mockery of the scriptures shows which of your two masters that you serve, when it comes right down to it. You are willing to mock the scriptures to defend homosexuality.

I am glad you are celibate- for now- you might live longer and healthier. But if you keep playing footsie with the devil you are going to fall down.

And as to the "how can you condemn a person for the way they were born" business. It is easy. I condemned myself for my sin nature in all its aspects when I accpeted Christ. Do I stumble? Yes, every day including this one, but the point is I don't attempt to justify sin, but struggle with it.

"The way I was born" indeed! How many straight guys were "born" monogamous? Next to none. It is a CHOICE we make for love and respect for a woman, and for the Lord's sake. We ALL have destructive tendencies that it is our duty to struggle with. Our "cross to bear". You though, are attempting to rationalize yours away.

Before I lock this thread in disgust, I want to add that even your mockery of the Old Testament did not get it right. Many things are listed as "abominations", but few things listed as "abominations" in the Old Testament had any CIVIL PENALTIES attached to violations. In other words, God did not say to kill people who sowed mixed seed or wore garmets with mixed fibers. He did say to execute practicing homosexuals.

Don't tell me that I "am not supposed to judge". That makes you the judge of what I am supposed to do, and thus violates your own admonition!

In addition, I have already judged myself, found myself guilty, and I repent, and therefore am justified in judging you by the same measure.

Just as the process of giving birth, of bringing a new life into the world, is painful, so is dying to self. If God had not first showed His love for us through the Passion, and called me, I don't think I would believe it worth it. Yet it is once on the other side. You wrote of LOVE, MERCY, CHARITY, FORGIVENESS.

Look at that last one. Forgiven of what? Can you pick which faults you are willing to repent of and hold on to the rest of them? That puts man in the place of God. Those things are attainable, not by our own efforts, but through REPENTENCE and FAITH.

7:53 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger terrymcdermott said...

Drew

You just prove my point. You cannot handle the political game.

7:55 PM, December 17, 2005  
Blogger Mr. Toast said...

In response to Mr. Pritt's propaganda:

"According to a 1994 University of Chicago study, only 2.8 percent of the adult males are homo-sexual. Over 97 percent are straight. A study by the National Assn. of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality makes the point that homosexual men appear to be three times more likely than straight men to have sex with minors, counting only cases that are reported. It says some studies indicate that about 35 percent of pedophiles are homosexuals."
Source: Accuracy in Media

The above is merely for clarification, because the original point I was making, which you so artfully avoided addressing, was that you cannot use what Jesus didn't specifically condemn as your standard for what is right. Attempting to do so puts you more in line with the letter-of-the-law Pharisees than those whom you love to accuse on this blog.

10:41 PM, December 17, 2005  

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