Masterson Compares Votes of Lt. Gov. Candidates
Democrat-Gazette reporter Mike Masterson compares the voting records of the candidates for Lt. Governor in this column. It really cuts through all the noise and lays out specific votes on specific issues. Here is an example on just one issue...
"House Bill 1525 from June 2005 failed to become law. It would have given college scholarships and in-state tuition to undocumented foreign nationals. Hester wrote in a news release that Arkansas citizens in many instances would have wound up paying more in tuition than those living here in violation of immigration laws had the bill passed. (It did pass the House but failed in the Senate. ) Holt voted no. Wooldridge, Martin and Matayo voted yes. Hathorn was not in the Legislature at that time."
I encourage you to read it at the link provided, and comment on it below.
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN LOCKED BECAUSE IT HAS DETERIORATED INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND HYSTERICAL PREDICTIONS OF DOOM SHOULD THEIR GUY NOT WIN THE Lt. GOV. NOMINATION.
COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE IMPORTANT ISSUES RAISED IN THE MASTERSON ARTICLE WERE LACKING.
MAYBE AFTER A COOLING OFF PERIOD I WILL REPOST THE ARTICLE IN THE HOPES THAT ADULTS WILL SHOW UP NEXT TIME AND DISCUSS POLICY.
"House Bill 1525 from June 2005 failed to become law. It would have given college scholarships and in-state tuition to undocumented foreign nationals. Hester wrote in a news release that Arkansas citizens in many instances would have wound up paying more in tuition than those living here in violation of immigration laws had the bill passed. (It did pass the House but failed in the Senate. ) Holt voted no. Wooldridge, Martin and Matayo voted yes. Hathorn was not in the Legislature at that time."
I encourage you to read it at the link provided, and comment on it below.
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN LOCKED BECAUSE IT HAS DETERIORATED INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND HYSTERICAL PREDICTIONS OF DOOM SHOULD THEIR GUY NOT WIN THE Lt. GOV. NOMINATION.
COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE IMPORTANT ISSUES RAISED IN THE MASTERSON ARTICLE WERE LACKING.
MAYBE AFTER A COOLING OFF PERIOD I WILL REPOST THE ARTICLE IN THE HOPES THAT ADULTS WILL SHOW UP NEXT TIME AND DISCUSS POLICY.
posted by Mark Moore (Moderator) at Monday, February 13, 2006
78 Comments:
I'm just surprised to see that Holt actually showed up to vote. He's usually never there.
Typical. You can't defend your boy's support for illegal aliens and state-controlled schools, so you attack Holt.
Way to go Jim!
Who is "my boy". I actually support Banks, loser. I just don't like Holt's record.
Typical Holt supporter, they always have to jump to conclusions. If you don't like Holt, you must be for Matayo. Wrong! People from both sides don't like Holt.
Hey 2:57, have you seen the blogs from Banks supporters who are blaming Jim for the letter about Mark Martin? These attacks aren't coming from Matayo supporters. Matayo has publically disagreed with the blame being put on Holt. Don't assume all attacks on Jim come from Matayo supporters. Now Banks supporters are on the move to destroy Holt.
Act 1467 of 2005 is SB564 Malone
Holt voted for this Bill
The fact is that Jim Holt has not been a good legislator. Chuck is the man to watch in this race and he would have the resorces to actually win over a Democrat.
You and I have a very different understanding of what the "facts" are.
This article tells me that Jim Holt has a superlative voting record. Any Banks supporters want to go through this article and tell me where their guy would have voted differently and why it would be better?
He has not been a good legislator, he has been a GREAT ONE. Too bad there are not more like him who vote like this article shows he voted.
Too bad the article was wrong. They showed him voting "no" for things he really voted "yes" for. I've found 2 mistakes so far. It's amazing what happens when you lie. People just automatically believe it instead of checking it out. That is what scares me about Holt. People all over are believing his lies.
Mark Moore, you will put anything on here as long as it is pro-Holt. Please check it out first so that you will actually look reliable.
3:22--All the testimonies of corruption about Chuck Banks and you want to hurl bricks at Holt? Why doesn't your boy Banks spend some time in the legislature where he can show us where he stands on certain issues?
I'd vote Matayo before I voted for that unknown shady character you're propping up. Even though DM only got a 70% rating with the AFA, at least we know what rating he received.
Go Holt!
Is that the same chuck banks of mena/saline county infamy? :^O
If so he's shameless running for lt gov!
Sounds like to me that the Matayo Mob will stop at nothing to try to get him elected. I am willing to bet that all the comments are created by the one and only Paul Graham. Your comments are all the same. TRASH!!!!!! I'm sure glad that I don't have you as an Insurance Agent. You never work!!! You just stay on here and sling mud...
I believe there was a misprint in the article, one of the acts listed for year 2005 was actually from 2003. If you looked it up by bill number it would show Holt voted the opposite of that listed, but if you read what the bill does it is clear they just got the session mixed up. The votes are right, and the issues are right, but the years got mixed up.
P/S We don't need to get into the Chuck Banks-Dan Harmon stuff. Let's talk about education issues on this thread. Let's talk about votes.
But Banks has never held a legislative office. (thankfully!) he doesn't have a voting record.
the mena stuff is important. I don't want to return to the Clinton corruption era.
Actually 12:56, Paul Graham has posted his name every time he's commented. You on the other hand are a coward. It's also a little strange that you know what Graham does for a living. Are you a stalker?
Ha ha! An anonymous poster calling someone a coward. That's cute.
Hey 12:56. Doesn't look like you're working either. I love it when people point out the things that others are doing when they are doing the exact same thing.
I have known Chuck Banks for many years. He was the Republican Nominee for the 1st Congressional district back in 1982. He is an honorable man. Banks is from Oceola orginally. Banks is the only candidate for Lt. Governor that would have the ability to draw a number of votes from the 1st District. Something we must look at here is electability. There is no possible way that Jim Holt can be elected to a statewide office. Holt is a nice fellow, but in a moderate to liberal state he could never win. Let us not make the same mistake we did in 2004 in sending him as token opposition against a well-funded Democrat opponent.
Your logic is flawed gsm. Holt has already gotten more than enough votes to win this election. He could get thousands of votes, maybe tens of thousands, of votes less than he already got in 04 and still win.
It boggles my mind that some people can think that Banks is more electable than Holt. Banks may be a nice guy, but he has never won an election in his life and he is not about to start winning them at age 60. Holt has never lost an election until 04, and any objective observor will admit he did shockingly well given his circumstances.
How do you define "electability" unless it means getting votes and winning elections? Holt has done both, Banks neither.
It leaves me scratching my head, these people that think Democrats in the 1st District will switch over and vote Banks in large numbers. Then why didn't they when he ran for Congress in that district and got trounced?
Holt HAD to get lots of people who don't normally vote Republican to vote for him- he got more votes than Huckabee did. That is not just the Republican base.
I keep hearing people say "Banks and electablity", but no explanation of why the guy who has never won an election in his life, and has gotten zero votes in the last 20 years should be preferred over a guy who has won six of seven elections and got a record number of votes for a Republican even in that loss.
Who knows where Banks would be on the issues when the heat is one and the press is beating up on you?
With Holt we know. He will stand firm. He is one of the few that will.
Jim Holt has only won in the Conservative Stonghold on Springdale. 41% is not a strong showing statewide, it is a base vote for Republicans.Just be be honest here Jim Holt did not really do much to win against Blanche Lincoln in 2004. What makes us think he will do any differently in 2006? Banks has been in the legal community for many years and was once a Federal Attorney for the Eastern Side of Arkansas. He would have more of a chance of moving people toward him than Holt ever would.
Also will Holt support whoever the Republican nominee is? Or will be see the pull of the Constition party. Please don't misunderstand, Holt is a great guy, but he is not Lt. Governor material, and if he is the nominee, we WILL LOSE the Lt. Governors race in 06.
Mark, can you not admit that Holt only received the number of votes over Blanche because of Bush. If it hadn't been a major election, Holt would've received a fraction of those votes. People went to the polls to support Bush and voted for Holt because he had an "R" next to his name. You mistake the support for Bush as support for Holt. When will you realize that Holt should've won, hands down. You're not looking at the part that proves that so many people crossed over because they didn't want to vote for Holt. That election should've been handed to him and it would've been handed to any other respectible candidate. Please don't say that he lost because Blanche was already the senator. If that was true then Pryor wouldn't be a senator right now. I know that you refuse to believe it, but Holt lost because Arkansas doesn't support him. You're giving him too much credit by saying he received more votes than Huckabee. Of course he did, but only because of Bush.
I know that this reply is a waste of my time because you are blind. You refuse to look at reality. Holt lost when he should've easily won. Money had nothing to do with it.
If my memory is correct, Holt got only 1% more of the vote than Did Fay Boozeman in 1998. 43-44% is a base vote for Republicans in Arkansas now. It takes someone who can draw not only Republicans but Conservative Democrats, someone who is Conservative on Moral issues (Abortion, Gay Rights) but more moderate on fiscal issues. Jim Holt also needs to remember that every part of Arkansas does not have a Wal-Mart to buy roads and colleges for them. Mike Huckabee has had the right mix for years (with the exception of education). It would do Republicans well to follow that lead.
I will tell you that if Banks wins the primary, he will never make it to Lt. Gov. The democrats will destroy him. He has too much in his past and people will not trust him.
Holt also has a lot of things hidden in his past and they will also come out. Not only in his past but in the present. He wasn't well known during his race against Blanche, but now that he is, the democrats have a lot of stories to share about him. I've heard a few and they aren't good. The democrats will destroy both of these men if given the opportunity. I can tell you that there has been a lot of digging from the democrats and Matayo seems to be the only one with a clean past. You might not agree with some of his votes, but he's still an honest man. The other 2 are not.
If you want a republican as Lt Gov, you'd better vote Matayo. The other 2 will be destroyed by the democrats. I know they are ready and waiting.
Having met Doug on several occasions, I know that he is a great guy. He would make a great Lt. Governor, but I cannot imagine him winning this thing statewide. The name recognition is just not there yet. He has a a good mix of politics, but once again it is a matter of electability.
44% is not a winning number against a Conservative Democrat named Tim Wooldridge. Sorry Mark, U loose!
Money always has something to do with it. Jim had about 50% name recognition a week before the election. He got a majority of voters who knew what his message was. If he had been running against Kerry with Bush's budget, he would have won easily. Heck, if he has only been outspent 10-1 instead of 40-1 he might have beat Lincoln. 44.4% of the vote when you are outspent 40-1 is fantastic.
Those numbers translate into a win against a non-incumbent democrat that does not have ten million dollars to spend. This thing is VERY winnable for Holt. Democrats LIKE Jim. Independents like Jim. The GOP grassroots LOVE Jim Holt.
Forget about the raw numbers, let's talk about percentages. Holt got 44% in a statewide race. Did Banks even get that percentage in his race 20 years ago? Holt's worst showing is better than Bank's best showing. It is irrational to insist that Banks can win where Holt can't. I feel like I am trying to reason with people who ignore all facts, history, and reason.
They want to cut a promising young player from the roster in order to make room for a guy who has lost througout his career, and is at the end of his career regardless. This irrational prejudice against Holt is maddening.
One person that I respect the most is John Brown III. When I found out that he supports Matayo, my mind was made up.
I can't believe it! Are Doug's people out here again trying to slime the other two guys with inneuendo?
Have the events of the last two weeks taught you nothing?
The media went through Holt's entire life in 04. They scrutinized everything. They even demanded to see his high school transcripts, and they actually reported in the paper every bad grade he made in high school!
Take your slime and inneundo somewhere else Matayo backer. It is disgraceful they way y'all seem willing to get therer by destroying others rather than focusing on the merits of your guy.
If so many people love Jim Holt, then where is the money. They should be handing it to him like crazy. Your irrational support for Holt is maddening. You really think Holt would've beat John Kerry is he had Bush's money? You are crazy. The democrats would eat him alive. Wake up Mark. He only got the votes because of the support for Bush. I only voted for him because of the "R" next to his name. This time it won't happen. Name recognition is not always a positive thing. He has given himself a bad name. He didn't have the party support last time and he won't get it again.
I don't understand the thinking behind promoting a loss to a D, when the numbers showed R.
Holt was out-spent and LOST, that does not seem like a point I would want to ingrain into everyone's head. Maybe the reason he got so many votes was because he was unable to show Arkansas how radical he is.
Electibility is a big issue, I think Banks and Matayo would both appeal to the moderate Dems. I think Banks doesn't have the support he needs, and come November a sullied past would come back to bite him. Matayo looks like the man with the experince to back it up, plus he can attract some Dems.
I don't think name recognition is as big an issue as some say. I don't think the Dems have any really big names, not any that would overshadow the R's anyway.
One thing I've noticed during any political race is that you usually only get angry at the person who is the biggest threat. No one ever gets angry with the person that doesn't have a chance of winning. I wonder why Mark Moore is always angry with Matayo supporters? Maybe he's not just angry, maybe he's scared.
I agree with your logic--which is why you're on a site that promotes Holt. You're scared stiff.
Holt's '04 race proved that you need at least a little bit of money to beat an incumbant, and he's currently out-fundraising Matayo. But there are plenty of examples where money failed to produce a victory. Holt's already proven right on the issues, and the money is now icing on the cake. Banks will not be buying himself a lt gov victory.
I'm confused...how did someone saying that John Brown III supports Doug Matayo turn into somehow sliming Jim Holt? Mark Moore seemed to take great offense at that statement...even though it's true. John Brown III has been to every Matayo fundraiser to introduce Doug to the crowd. Please explain your irrational reaction.
Holt also has a lot of things hidden in his past and they will also come out.
Yawn. This slimey lie is so worn out. It's apparently all you have to go on. After all, you couldn't possibly talk about issues or votes!
You're right. I seriously doubt Brown would endorse the nasty, vicious guy this site makes out Matayo to be. Brown is the most honorable, Chrisiian man I know.
Wow! You guys finally hustled an endorsement? Well, put it on Mateyo's website, anyway. Until then, it's just a rumor.
Go to a fundraiser and see for yourself...better yet, ask Brown to his face if you're brave enough. Who's endorsed Holt, other than members of the Constitution Party?
I would like to know how Holt is out-fundraising Matayo? The last time I saw, Matayo had raised more than Holt. If you are trying to imply that Holt is now receiving more money, the same is true for Matayo. Money isn't the issue. The issue is that Holt isn't well liked. Being on this site does not make me scared or mad. Sometimes it is just nice to bring truth to the lost.
Don't know about Brown, but University people in general should love Matayo! He wants to make the taxpayers pay for the tuition of illegal aliens!
Here's his vote on the bill that would've done it, if people like Holt in the Senate didn't keep it from becoming law!
The last filing disclosure shows that Holt outraised Matayo by well over twice as much.
Does this mean you're going to apply your "where's the money" logic in support of Holt? Of course not, you're just a slimer.
Matayo has fundraisers? I guess they were flops or something.
9:08 "you guys finally hustled an endorsement"? Brown has endorsed Matayo since day 1. It's a fact, not a rumor. Now, why don't you give us a name of a Holt supporter, someone we've actually heard of. And remember, you have to be able to prove it, just like I can. I can even come up with a list of well respected Matayo supporters. People that are respected by most of Arkansas. Let's see if you can do that.
Ask his campaign manager, I'm sure they've got them--I personally don't care what endorsements Holt's got, I've seen his awesome voting record. But I can see why Mateyo would want to distract people's attention away from his voting record in favor of crony 'endorsements'.
I just went to Matayo's website. Nothing there about endorsements. You are an anonymous guy on a blog, how are you going to "prove" Doug has all these endorsements?
Tell him to post letters of support on his website, if he can find folks willing to write them.
Endorsements wouldn't be brought up if they weren't easy to prove.
9:16: I hate to point out your ignorance once again, but the PARENTS are the illegals, not the CHILDREN. The CHILDREN are the ones going to college (praise the Lord!). Do you usually punish your children for your mistakes? I don't think anyone would. Matayo is not in the business of punishing children. I wouldn't think Holt would be either, but for some reason he is.
The 'children' (if you call 18-year-olds children) of illegals are illegals. If that weren't the case, then HB1525 wouldn't have been needed by the pro-illegal crowd, now would it have been?
9:25 "I personally don't care what endorsements Holt's got". You don't care because you know he doesn't have any. No respecible Republican would ever endorse Holt. Right now you can use the excuse that they can't endorse him, but they won't even endorse him if he wins the primary. He couldn't get any endorsements last time. I don't think I've ever seen a candidate that couldn't get the support of his party.
We don't want to 'punish' anyone beyond deporting them back to their country of origin and making them get in line to immigrate here properly and fairly. What is so hard to understand about that concept?
Actually children of illegals are not always illegal. There are plenty of babies born in this country to illegals, but the babies aren't illegal. And could you please tell me what the Pro-illegal crowd is? I haven't laughed that hard all day.
I don't think I've ever seen a candidate that couldn't get the support of his party.
Oh yes--you're the supposed Banks supporter from the other thread who insisted that we believe you personally knew WinRock and Asa and Gov. Huckabee. What, now you're a Matayo supporter? What are we to believe, slimer?
9:41 No one can argue with that 9:41. That is what we all would like. The difference between you and me is that you would still be prejudice against them if they were here legally. I've yet to see any of you use the word Hispanic or Mexican. You lump them all into one category, "illegals". You would like to have them all deported, legal or not.
If you don't know what the pro-illegal crowd is, you've had your head buried in the sand of the Rio Grande.
And there has never been so much as a court ruling, much less any law, stating that the babies of illegal aliens born U.S. soil are citizens. That's only been a (consistent) mis-application of the 14th amendment by the INS.
The difference between you and me is that you would still be prejudice against them if they were here legally.
Buzz off, race baiter. You don't know me from Adam.
And there has never been so much as a court ruling, much less any law, stating that the babies of illegal aliens born U.S. soil are citizens.
That wasn't the point. Even if the U.S.-born child of an illegal were granted citizenship by the INS, he wouldn't benefit from Mateyo's HB1525. That bill was crafted with ILLEGALS in mind. Mateyo sold us out for his brand of 'compassion' funded by we the taxpayers.
Hey--Matayo didn't draft the bill, a democrat did. He just voted for it.
Fine, here is what some folks, including former State Senator Peggy Jeffries of Fort Smith, have to say about Jim Holt....
http://www.jimholt.us/testamonials.htm
Notice it is posted on Holt's website. Please direct us to where we can find similar statements posted about Doug Matayo. He does not even have a statement posted from JP Paul Graham, and I doubt he could get one at this particular point in time!
9:25 "I personally don't care what endorsements Holt's got". You don't care because you know he doesn't have any.
Funny, I believe this thread was originally supposed to be about Masterson's article and how the AFA gave Holt a 100% on his voting record. That's all but an endorsement!
They tell so many lies they forget what blog thread they're on!
I have an obvious point: You are quick to say that Holt got more votes than even Huckabee (our current governor) in the last election. Doesn't it then stand to reason that he should easily get more votes against Hutchinson (not even our governor)if he were to run for governor? Why doesn't Holt test his overwhelming popularity and run against Hutchinson for governor? How about it, Holt. Moore, since your guy is that popular, shouldn't he win without much of a fight? I mean, even Halter was brave enough to go against Beebee...
9:44 Not all computers are private computers. Some are shared by dozens of people. Are you really the neurotic that you are actually checking things like that.
I know the person that you are speaking of and it's not me. I also seem to remember that he admitted to messing with you to watch you get angry. I think it worked if you still remember it. I think he'll get a kick out of this. But that does explain why I was getting blamed for some of his posts that day.
BE CAREFUL EVERYONE, THEY ARE TRYING TO WATCH YOUR EVERY MOVE!!!!
Then they also complain about anonymous posters when they remain anonymous half the time. Pretty sneaky Mark.
More people voted (in one election) against Jim Holt then any other Republican candidate in the history of Arkansas.
580,973 Voted against Holt in 2004
497675 Voted against Bush in 2004
448,641 Voted against Hutchinson in 2002
433,306 Voted against Bush in 2002
9:44 Not all computers are private computers. Some are shared by dozens of people. Are you really the neurotic that you are actually checking things like that.
Sad that you lay awake last night thinking up that lie.
If you had just an ounce of honesty, you would stop making the attack of Jim Holt the prime purpose of your life. I sincerely fear for you, because of the level of bitterness and dishonesty you harbor.
to 6:40. Another example of how Holt supporters won't accept truth when it's given to them. They have to stand firm on believing that everyone is out to tell lies. Otherwise they would have to realize the truth about Holt. I can honestly say that I will pray for you. It is not healthy for anyone to have so much anger and hate inside. That is a sincere promise. Not an attack.
We will be able to tell by your response what kind of person you are. It will either be a humble thank-you or a pridefull attack.
*sigh*
According to your own statement (a lie), you are one of a group of people who have nothing better to do than to troll on this blog and attack Holt. And you call me hateful?
In reality, you are one lone troller who must have had their dog run over by a Holt campaign worker or something. I can't understand why you are so bitter and dishonest.
Thanks for the reply. Now we know. You are making conclusions about people and refusing to take them at their word. If you are a christian you need some true guidance. I'm not sure who is to blame for leading you down the wrong path.
Obviously you have nothing better to do than to troll on this blog and defend Holt. You make these foolish statements when you are doing the same thing. At least I happen to be young and in between classes right now. You are probably married with children and are doing this instead of finding a way to provide for them. You are probably Jim Holt.
Yes--I'm a bad person, because I defend a friend.
Last night you accused someone of being racist, now this. You're a lost cause.
And, please, stop invoking God's name. No one is impressed. In fact, you do Him a great disservice by slinging mud wrapped in religous wording.
" You are making conclusions about people and refusing to take them at their word."-Anonymous@7:20am
Who could blame him(?) for not taking you at your word? You've been exposed as a liar on this and at least one other thread on AW.
Go back to class. And be sure to enroll in Civility 101 and Honesty 200 next semester!
7:29am:Last night you accused someone of being racist, now this. You're a lost cause.
No, no -don't you get it? It's the 'other' guy on one of the "dozens of computers"! Whenever it's a hateful sliming, it's that other guy! Ha ha!
...it's that other guy! Ha ha!
She's posted plenty of false and malicious information. That "other guy" therefore has alot to take credit for.
I was really hoping this thread would be about SPECIFIC VOTES on SPECIFIC ISSUES.
The article is information-rich. It is a pity none of the Holt attackers were willing to offer any information as to say, how Chuck Banks would have voted differently and why, or perhaps attempt to defend some of Matayo's votes on specific bills.
I am tempted to trash the whole thread and re-post it, giving us all another chance to talk issues.
It's a "she"!? She's a student? I thought she was a 39-year old man who knows the governor, etc.!
2:34 I'm retired and can stay on this computer as long as I want to. I have raised my family and educated my children and now they are own their own. Can you say the same? Work...do you really know the meaning? Taking people's money and staying on this blog all hours of the day and night is not a full days work. Get a life, earn your living, raise your children and be a husband to you wife. When you get my age you can do as you darn well please. Get a life, Graham.
Anonymous@8:30, I don't think that Paul Graham wrote that.
What about Holt running for Gov.? Shouldn't he win easily enough?
Let's not play the what if game. It's hard enough keeping people on topic here. Holt's running for Lieutenant Governor, so lets talk issues (for once). Or are we going to start sliming Asa now?
I Holt wins the primary, he will hurt the Republican ticket in November. Asa to your local J.P. will be affected.
jppaulgraham, I noticed it didn't take you very long to respond to 8:30's message. I think that he proved his point quite well....
Graham--anything that points to Holt's conservative record is dissected and spun by you in an effort to attack him. When your buddy loses the primary, is it still going to be your mission in life to ensure that Jim doesn't get elected? Will you help Woolridge or Hathorn?
Mark Moore should bill you for the advertising.
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