Matayo Associate Files Bizarre Ethics Complaint Against Jim Holt, Then Asks That it be Withdrawn the Next Day
In one of the more bizarre stories of the poltical season, Washington County JP Paul Graham filed an ethics complaint against State Senator Jim Holt yesterday. Graham also made false claims concerning Holt to print and broadcast media- claims which were spread around the state both yesterday and today. Today, Graham asked the ethics commission to withdraw his complaint. Graham has a long history of accusing Holt of wrongdoing. None of the accusations have ever resulted in an ethics violation.
Graham is also a close associate of State Representative Doug Matayo, who is competing with Holt for the GOP Lt. Governor's nomination. Matayo was best man at Graham's wedding.
One wonders if the media will broadcast the recanting of the accusations with the same volume and intensity with which the initial false accusations were originally made.
(click time below for Debbie Pelley's point by point assessment.)
Graham is also a close associate of State Representative Doug Matayo, who is competing with Holt for the GOP Lt. Governor's nomination. Matayo was best man at Graham's wedding.
One wonders if the media will broadcast the recanting of the accusations with the same volume and intensity with which the initial false accusations were originally made.
(click time below for Debbie Pelley's point by point assessment.)
posted by Mark Moore (Moderator) at Wednesday, February 01, 2006
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This is a point by point look at some of the charges, now withdrawn, made against Holt in a Doug Thompson article. It should be noted that Thompson's article is used only as a sample of the mis-statements that have been going around the state in many media outlets for the last two days...
Setting the Record Straight On Distortion of Holt Airplane Ride with Rockefeller
On Jan 31 Doug Thompson with the Arkansas News Bureau reported, " A Washington County justice of the peace said Monday he filed an ethics complaint alleging state Sen. Jim Holt accepted an airplane ride to a Republican dinner without reporting the expense."
Fact 1. The ethics complaint had not been filed at the time of the report by Doug Thompson. When Senator Holt's scheduler called the ethics commission about it after reading the report, it had not been filed. It was filed several hours later that day.
Fact 2 – The plane flight has been reported on the proper form, on his 2005 statement of financial interest as a nongovernmental source of payment for travel expenses exceeding $150. Such payments must be disclosed if they bear a relationship to his office when he is appearing in his official capacity
Thompson also reported, "Graham's complaint says Republican secretary of state candidate Jim LaGrone accepted the same plane ride and reported the ride in financial disclosure reports filed with the secretary of state's office. LaGrone listed the May 7 flight as an in-kind contribution worth $580.40, secretary of state's documents show."
Fact 3 – Senator Holt has never ridden on an airplane with Jim LaGrone. Senator Jim Holt did hitch a plane ride with Lt. Governor Winn Rockefeller after getting stuck in traffic behind an accident. However, the date was March 17, and not May 7 as Graham claims. Unlike Lagrone in the May event, Holt did not campaign at the March event. Neither Rockefeller nor Holt considered the ride a contribution to Holt's political campaign.
Fact 4 – Senator Holt's scheduler, Kay Emery, checked with Rockefeller's Chief of Staff, Doyle Webb; and he confirmed the date of the flight when Senator Holt hitched a ride as March 17, not in May as reported by Doug Thompson. Webb also confirmed that Jim LaGrone was not a passenger on that flight.
Doug Thompson reported, "Graham said in an interview that he is a friend of Rep. Doug Matayo, R-Springdale, one of Holt's opponents in the May 23 Republican primary."
Fact 5 - As Doug Thompson reported, Graham is a friend of Representative Doug Matyo, R. Springdale, one of Holt's opponents in the May 23 Republican primary.
Fact 6 - The complaintant has asked that his complaint be officially withdrawn, and that fact has been reported to the press, but no apology has been offered to Senator Holt anyone in this matter.
Please keep this distortion in mind when you read the newspapers. There is likely to be more of the same in the future. Senator Holt's message resonates with the people, and it is hard for his opponents to fight him on his voting record and on his stand on the issues. The only other recourse is to attack the messenger.
I'm sure Holt will get his apology right after he apologizes for the things he's done to people in the past. Has he ever apologized to Mr. Graham for filing a false police report against him? I don't think he has. Maybe both of these guys can grow up and move on. They both need to let go of the hate they have towards each other.
Don't you think that if Matayo was really the one behind this, he would've had someone else file this report? Everyone knows they are friends. My source told me that Matayo disagreed with this from the beginning. It came from somone very reliable that is close to Holt and Matayo. I know it's trustworthy.
Who says the report was false? Maybe Holt just decided to show mercy and not press charges once he had won.
I have not heard Doug make a statement about this matter, but if Doug issues a statement saying he disagreed with this from the beginning then I think we should take him at his word.
The ride was with Win Rockefeller! Yesterday the media would not say who Holt rode with- maybe Jack Abramoff or something! Win Rock is not "bad company".
Holt challenges the establishment, so the establishment media is out to destroy him. The general population agrees with his message, so they can't attack him on his positions, they have to smear him personally.
I just find it disturbing that your headline says "Matayo Associate" instead of "Paul Graham" or "Local JP". It really isn't right to jump to conclusions and to try and spin it this way. No one else has done this.
Can someone please tell me exactly what Holt's message is? I've yet to hear it. If the general popultation agrees with it, he would be a Senator right now.
Did anyone expect this thread to be anything but more sniping by the same handful of anti-Holt trolls?
Once again, Jim is proven to be squeaky clean! Now it's time to troll for something else.
Hey boys, a suggestion: better get those planks out of your eyes first. You might hurt yourselves if you can't see what you're doing...
Dude, he has a message, but the GOP did not back him enough to get it out in 04. Blanche outspent him 40-1 and he still got pretty close. That was because most of the people who had adequate exposure to his message DID agree with it.
If the GOP had backed him he could have beat her. If she had only been able to outspend him 5-1 instead of 40-1, he'd be a senator right now and the good ole boy network would not have to worry about him pushing reform in state government.
As for what he stands for, go to www.jimholt.us
then go to www.chuckbanks.com
then go to www.dougmatayo.com
Jim Holt gives literally one hundred times as much information about the issues as those other two guys.
You are not the worst guy in the world Paul, you just made a mistake. The hurt from that mistake has to be corrected. I just got off the phone with Jim Holt and he does not want punish you. He is struggling to find a way to correct the misinformation about himself without hurting you any further. That is the honest truth.
To 7:00AM
To the contrary, almost every media report has commented that Graham is backing Matayo. All we did was give fact to support the depth of the connection (Matayo was the best man at Graham's wedding).
Why aren't you more disturbed that false reports of ethical problems have been floated all over the state?
I will take you at your word Paul. Of course I cannot change the fact that you are indeed a close associate of Dougs.
I am also concered because Mr. Wickline's "Retraction" implied that you just wanted to make sure he filed it as a gift. Since gift filings were not due for two days, that is obviously incorrect.
A proper retraction would not imply that you were just checking to make sure he filed it as a gift, as if that was your claim all along, but that your were mistakenly claiming that he should have declared it a campaign contribution - a class of giving that should have been reported months ago.
The "retraction" still implies that Holt was tardy filing something, and now that he has done it you are withdrawing the complaint. That is deceptive. That is not what happened. I know that you did not write the story, so you can't control that.
Are you willing to set the record straight here and say that you were mistaken about the whole thing, including when and under what category the flight should have been filed, and that Holt was timely and proper in that filing? Will you help clean up this mess?
I have looked at all 3 websites, and I don't think that is the correct site for Matayo. (You might want to check that out). I want to hear it out of Holt's own mouth. He isn't smart enough to convey anything that way. When I listen to him talk, he seriously doesn't make any sense. He has been in politics how long now? I know he didn't write all the stuff on his website. That didn't come from him, it came out of someone else. It's much more important to convey your message in person, and he can't do that. That is why he is always in the papers because of something he said, or did, that made him look like a fool.
The GOP didn't back him against Blanche and they won't back him now. Don't you think there is a reason for that? Even Asa hopes Holt doesn't win the primary because he knows it could ruin his chances for Governor. No one likes Holt except for a small group of supporters. People crossed over to vote for Blanche because they couldn't dream of voting for Holt. If he wins the primary, it will happen again.
I am not trying to be mean spririted in any way. I'm sure Holt is a nice man, but he's not good at politics. He isn't in touch with this state and that is why he won't get the votes. He could raise more money than anyone else and it won't help.
I don't care how many children he and his wife decide to have, but I will tell you that it isn't helping him in politics. People do think it's strange and that will always be the case. Arkansas already has a reputation for being backwards and that is another reason why people don't want him to be in a high profile office. That is a big reason Duggar lost to Pryor. You might night like to hear that, but I promise you it is the truth. I travel all over the state, and people comment on it all the time. We want someone in office to change the stereotypes, not add to them.
To 7:01am,
Obviously you have internet...therefore it isn't anyones fault but your own you don't know what Holt stands for. It is right there in black and white @ www.jimholt.us. Do your research and then tell me you don't agree with him and I'll be quiet: )
To 11:51am,
1st. Duggar lost to Tim Hutchinson in the primary. Tim lost to Pryor.
The reason Tim lost was because he was not faithful to his wife. Whether he actually had an affair or not doesn't matter...the people felt betrayed. In reality they were! He touted being for "Family Values" and didn't stick to them. Jim Holt stands for a lot of things and most of Arkansas believes in the same thing. They are tired of dirty politics and want an honost person in office. I believe (and this is my opinion) that the people will stand up for what they believe in instead of just trusting what the politician running for office is saying. They will vote for someone who says he will do something and not change when the wind blows or when the "GOP machine" (this excludes the common, everyday republicans like myself) tells them to do something. We need someone with a backbone and from what I've seen the ONLY one to be tested and NOT back down (for any reason) is JIM HOLT!
2nd. who got more votes? Huckabee? Hutchinson? Pryor? Holt? Rockefeller?
Do your research...HOLT got more votes than anyone running a "STATE" wide campaign! I'm not talking Nation wide, I'm talking State wide. SO, don't try to spin the results to suit your liking. Admit the fact... Holt didn't just get that many votes just because people didn't like Lincoln. Come up with a better reason than that.
3rd. 50,000 votes the other way and we would have a Senator that speaks for life and would have confirmed Bush's judges from the beginning and we wouldn't have to be putting up with Lincoln's liberal votes anymore. Now all we need to do is get rid of Pryor! The people of Arkansas need more people who stand for what they stand for and people like Jim Holt need to come out and take a stand and run for office so we can take back this state from the liberal left.
4th. Like him or not Jim Holt has NEVER wavered!
You've got to remember that the election against Blanche Lincoln took place BEFORE he lost Sam's Club for his own hometown and made a lot of people mad. Springdale is going to lose a lot of jobs because of that. That paired with a whole list of recent blunders doesn't bode well for Holt.
Please don't forget that the only reason Holt got so many votes in his run for Senate was because everyone came out to vote for Bush. That is why Holt got more total votes than the other candidates you mentioned. If that same election was held the year before, or the year after, he wouldn't have gotten half those votes. Some people do vote for the one with the (R) next to their name no matter what. Bush won this state big time and it should've been easy for Holt to win also. People don't like him so they didn't vote for him. Simple as that. If Holt wins the primary, we will have a democrat for Lt. Gov.
There have been NO blunders ONLY rumors and fabrications!
To 2:42,
How do you know that "People don't like him so they didn't vote for him."? Have you done a poll and you have those results for us all to see or are you only speaking those words because that is the only explanation that you have? If you have those results then I think you should share them with all of Arkansas so that if that is the case then maybe you could talk Jim out of the race. That is if you could prove that no one likes him. Otherwise, I think it's only fair that when you print comments like "People don't like him so they didn't vote for him." you tell it is YOUR OPINION.
And, don't you think that if people didn't like him they all would have voted for Blanche. You really need to come up with a better explanation than that. We are tired of people who can't face the facts and admit that people voted for Jim because he was the one who best reflected and has voted for their values.
The same ol' same ol' excuse of "Jim isn't smart enough" or "people don't like him" really gets boring after awhile. Come up with a better lie than that. Surely, you can.
Banks is the only one with enough money to poll, and he is not talking about any poll results he might have. Makes me think that Holt is way ahead.
No way Holt gets more votes than Huckabee without his message resonating to some degree. True Bush got more votes, but Bush was running against a Massachusetts liberal that he heavily outspent in this state.
You guys live in a dream world. Holt only got those votes because of Bush. You can tell yourself otherwise as much as you'd like, but apparantly you are not the norm. The only message he had was the R next to his name. There are a lot of people who will only vote republican. He should've won easily and you know that. Do you not remember the talk on every talk radio station and every news station about how the republican party had no real candidate? The republican party did not support him. Why do you think that is? You guys think Jim Holt can do no wrong. He is the worst thing that has happened to Sprindale. Sprindale would probably like him to win just to get him out of their town. Sam's club is a big deal to Sprindale and he ran it out. They are going to lose a lot of jobs because he thinks his way is the only way. If he doesn't want alcohol in his home, he shouldn't buy it. Don't try and keep every other adult from buying it to. That is their choice, not his. I've lived in 2 states that sold liquor in Sam's and I never bought it. They do let you leave the store without it.
Banks hasn't polled yet, so don't fool yourself about Holt being way ahead. He's not. Step out of your house and you'd realize that.
More nonsense from the Holt bashing squad. Holt personally opposes liquor, yes. But he opposed Sam's Club because they were trying to get around a state law. Wal-Mart pressured the ABC board to ignore the law for a permit in Fayetteville, but the same board wouldn't cave for a permit in Springdale because they didn't want to oppose Holt. Why didn't Fayetteville's representatives stand up against Wal-Mart? Because it's easier to ignore laws they personally don't like, and they certainly don't have the guts to stand up to Wal-Mart (though Sue Madison originally opposed the permit in Fayetteville).
No doubt you know this already, but I write it for the other readers who may want to know. This thread should be about how the mudslingers owe an apology to Jim, but it continues to be another launching pad for more baseless attacks on him. I guess some things are too much to ask from certain people.
What goes around comes around, sadly. Jim Holt has never apologized for anything that he's done to people before, Paul Graham being one of them. I can come up with a list of people he needs to apologize to. What about this site apologizing to Doug Matayo for bringing his name into this when he had nothing to do with it. That is also mudslinging. You are more than willing to sling mud of your own but you don't like it when your guy gets a little dirty. And boy is he dirty.
...your guy gets a little dirty. And boy is he dirty.
You don't even make sense! You obviously have a hard time believing your own tripe. Go troll somewhere else.
To 7:54 "he should have won easliy"????
In his first state-wide race, he was outspent 40-1 by an incumbant and "he should have won easily"?
I am not saying that you are a stupid person, I just think that some force, whether hatred of Holt or bias for another candidate, is short-circuiting your judgement and making you type stupid things.
As far as "dragging Matayo's name into this", this site is hardly responsible for that. Every media report about this story connects Graham to Matayo. That is because they ARE connected. This is true, the accusations against Holt are false.
All we did was add the fact that Matayo was the best man at Grahams wedding. We do not know if Matayo knew about it in advance or approved of it, and we did not claim that we did. It IS a logical inference, especially since Doug has been attacking Jim at almost every event they are together lately. Still, Paul Graham says Matayo had nothing to do with the attack, so I am not going to say otherwise. I am going to take him at his word on that. I do wish he would answer my 8:57 post though.
Also, I have observed first hand the way Matayo operates. Once I had to fill in for Jim at an event. Matayo waited until all my time was up and I had left the stage and sat down. Then, once I no longer had a chance to respond, he used a question about education to try to attack me because I am not a Republican, but a member of the Constitution party. No one cared ! Still, it was very underhanded to wait until I had no chance to respond, and then level a charge at me while he was supposed to be answering a question about education. This was in Benton county and there were plenty of witnesses.
Given the way I have personally observed that Doug operates, it was easy for me to believe that he gave Paul Graham at least tacit permission (but out of the loop enough for plausible deniability) to find dirt on Jim and go to the commission with it.
Still, I am willing to take Paul Graham at his word. I will take Doug at his word too, but as far as I know, he has never denied knowing about this in advance, or approving the move. Others have spoken for him, but I have never heard from him on it.
Jim Holt has apologized to me before. When he thinks he is wrong about even a minor thing he goes out of his way to aplogize, but when he thinks he is right he will not. Should he?
As for the Wal-Mart thing. Jim did not stop Wal-Mart from building in Springdale. He only stopped them from selling liquor in any store they might build. They still could have built the store, but apparantly getting in the booze business is their top priority. If Sam could come back for a day I think he would slap some of his execs upside the head.
State law prohibits what SAMS is trying to do in Fayetteville, but the law also gives the ABC court-like powers to apply that law. SAMS used its influence so that the clear intent of the law has been violated.
The principle that Jim is standing on is that the law should apply equally to all. If he is going to insist that illegal aliens submit to the law, he is not going to be a hypocrite and let Wal-Mart or SAMS off the hook. EVERYONE should have to follow the law.
Do you really want a society where powerful companies can get around laws that the little guys have to obey? Is paying $2 less a bottle for your booze more important than upholding equality under the law? If you think so, then I am sorry, but you are not virtuous enough to sustain your own freedom. It will have to be preserved by your neighbor who is more principled than you are.
Jim (and SAMS too) knows that granting SAMs the ability to sell booze with all that other stuff will give them a competitive advantage with other liquor stores who DO have to abide by the law that says a liquor store can't sell anything on the premises unrelated to liquor. It also gives them a competitive advantage with other grocery stores and people who sell stuff in the rest of their line. Maybe I want to buy a shotgun, prescription drugs, and a bottle of whiskey. Why go to three separate stores when I can get it all in one building? (Note: I don't think SAMS plans to sell prescription drugs there YET).
HARPS and HARVEST FOODS and the rest will have to be let in the booze business themselves (liquor stores on every corner, and HARPS for one has said they don'y WANT to get in the business, but this would make it necessary for them too). Liquor in every large shopping establishment! Either that or one company gets a competive advantage- they lobby their way out of following laws that the other businesses are subject too.
OK, today they are picking on the liquor stores, but tomorrow it could be your business. If you are a Wal-Mart vendor, it could be you. Do you really want to have to do business with someone that will hold you to the letter of the law, but they don't necessarily have to follow it themselves?
That is the way I see it at least.
He should've won easily and you know that.
Talk about a dream world. Only one Republican has ever won a U.S. Senate seat in the history of Arkansas government, and he left such a bad taste in people's mouths that his brother will be doing his best to distance himself from that legacy during this year's governor's race. How many appearances do you think Tim will be making for Asa?
Then there's the issue of FEC violations for the accounting funny-business that occured when Huckabee led the state party. The fines left the party deep in debt and demoralized.
Do you honestly believe that there was a lack of Republican candidates to challenge Blanche Lincoln? Holt was the only serious contender because, given the sorry state of affairs at the Arkansas Republican Party, no one thought that beating Blanche was remotely possible. Yet Holt ran because he felt it was the right thing to do, despite the odds and the lack of money available. Yet my, my, how far they've come up in confidence since those dark days--not only do they believe beating Blanche was possible, Holt is an exceptionally bad candidate for not having achieved victory!!
Given the baggage that this state party has created for their candidates, Holt did an excellent job in 2004, not only because of his strong showing, but for improving the image that you gutter snipes insist on perpetuating for the Republicans.
I did not accuse Rep. Matayo. I presented the facts about how close the two of you were and let people draw their own conclusions. Once you made a statement that Matayo had nothing to do with it, I took you at your word. What is wrong with you? You are obsessesed. Man, go live your life and quit worrying about Jim Holt.
It may be "logical" for you to assume Jim campaigned, but your initial facts that you were reasoning from were all wrong. Wrong flight, wrong place, wrong time, wrong activities.
In addition, you could have ASKED SOMEONE before you filed the complaint. You could have asked Jim LaGrone. You could have asked the County Chairman. You could have asked Rockefeller's staff. You could have asked ME! I remember talking to Jim after that event and being frustrated with him when he said he did not campaign.
I just wrote an article. Not even a newspaper article, but a blog article that allows guys like you equal time to come and present your side of the story. You filed a formal complaint. You spewed your garbage around the state media. My article cited facts that were true. Your complaint cited "facts" that were almost entirely incorrect.
Paul Graham, you are a sick man!!!! I think that you are blind also. I agree with MM, go get a life and stop trying to kill Jim Holt in this campaign to help your own buddy. People that know you realize that you are a bag of wind. All blow.. No guts...I also think that DM is telling you every move to make. It is clear to me and lots of others that you can't think for yourself.
Mark Moore: You want to talk about the way people operate. How about the way Jim operates. How about the way Jim decided to run for Lt. Govenor even though he knew his "good friend" Doug Matayo was getting ready to announce and that all along he had only talked about running for Governor. How about the fact that he didn't even give Matayo the courtesy of a phone call. He just wanted to make sure he beat him to the announcement. Does that sound like a good way to operate. You may be friends with Jim now but one day it will turn around to bite you in the butt. One day you will regret ever being friends with him. Of course you don't believe that now but Matayo never thought that day would come either, even though he was warned by many people.
And since you brought up the day you filled in for Jim. The only talk after that meeting was the fact that you insulted a lot of people there when you started talking about the fact that no woman loves her husband more than Jim's, or that no man loves his wife and kids more than Jim. You pissed a lot of people off that day and you probably don't even know that. That is what everyone was talking about after that meeting. They happened to disagree with that. They were also talking about what a great job Matayo did that day and I happen to agree. And why don't you tell the real reason Jim didn't bother to show up that day, he was too tired. Boo hoo! I happen to know that because I am a member of that group.
Your fictional account of the process by which Jim determined to run for Lt. Governor is as flawed as Paul Graham's ethics complaint. Your memory is as unsavory as your language on this family-oriented board.
As for the meeting, I can't remember my exact words but if I said that I still did not say that Jim loves his family more than they love theirs. I meant no insult, only that the Holt family has as much love as is humanely possible. Obviously, other families can have that same amount.
As for the Lt. Gov race entry time line, Jim's version is the one I believe: Doug was pressuring Jim to declare for something for a long time. Jim just wanted to have a good session and decide later. Doug pressed. Jim said "When is the latest you have to know". Doug said "mid-March". People were asking Jim to run for Governor. Every time the media asked what office he would name Lt. Gov. as one of them. Even after he declared they would lay a trap for him. "Have you considered any other offices". Yes, he had "consdiderd" Gov. but with Win and Asa in there he had decided on Lt. Gov.. Then in the papers the next day there was speculation that he was really running for Governor (I witnessed that happen).
Jim declared, but he was not campaigning at first. He really just came out because Doug had been pressuring him to decide. He wanted to focus on having a good session, then campaign hard later.
Prior to all this Doug had told Jim that he and Amy had prayed about it and they felt like God did not want them to run against Jim. By March 9th, Jim told Doug in person (so I guess it was technically true that he did not get "a phone call" but it is still deceptive)"I am annoucing for Lt. Gov. in a few days." Doug said it was too late, he was running. Jim asked, "I thought you felt the Lord said you should not run against me". Doug said "Well, I won't run against you for state senate."
I don't think Doug was Jim's friend. He sure was not a strong supporter. Let me tell you something, I HAVE GIVEN MORE MONEY TO MATAYO THAN MATAYO EVER GAVE TO HOLT. He knew I was Constitution Party too, which really galls me that he then turned around and tried to critisize Jim for taking help from me. Doug Matayo took my money and did not even have the courtesy of writing a thank-you note.
You just told an outright lie. If you really believe that story to be true, then I can only guess that Jim Holt lied to you about what happened. I really don't think Jim Holt knows what the truth is anymore. God knows the truth sir, and that is all that matters. I feel sorry that Jim now has you wrapped up in his web of deception. There have been many people there before you and you will not be the last.
Regretfully I have also given money to Jim Holt in the past and have never received a thank you note from him either. I've donated to dozens of political campaigns and have never received a thank you note.
Please don't call this a family-oriented board. Would you really let your children get on here and read some of the things you've written. I have seen more mean and hateful things come out of your mouth than I've seen in my entire adult life. Please take the log out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck from mine.
I can truthfully say that if you know Jim Holt as well as you say you do, then you have seen for yourself the things I've talked about. He has ruined more friendships than most people make in a lifetime. There is a very small group of people that see Doug Matayo the way you do. You only see him that way because of the things Jim Holt has said about him. You don't know Doug. I do know Jim and I used to like him too. He's done some horrible things to a lot of people and you will witness it firsthand.
I'm not going to do this anymore. I am a christian and right now I don't feel like I'm acting like one. Doug Matayo doesn't need me to defend him. He is a man of God with high morals and values. His relationship with God is the most important relationship in his life and he's not going to ruin that by telling lies about anything. This back and forth arguing about this isn't getting us anywhere.
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in the house of the Lord.
Jim is one of those rare ones who brings out the best in people, and the worst. For some when the worst comes out they recoil from their worst- and therefore find life. For others, when Jim brings out the worst in them they recoil from Jim.
I think the ones you speak of who recoil from Jim have to do so to also find life.
I can't sit here and read this any more. There was a time when I did not want Doug or Jim to run against each other because I believed that we were good friends with the Holt's. And I shared that with them at our house one day. We had prayed about it for a year and believed that Doug was supposed to run for Lt. Governor...win or lose. And because of our friendship, Doug shared that with Jim on three different occasions and Jim did not mention that he was considering the same race. He did this as a friend. Other people were there to verify this. But when Jim called me late one night to get me to talk Doug out of the race, I asked him not to choose politics over friendship. Doug had given him every courtesy. Jim said he was 90 percent sure, but that he would let Doug know his final decision. Two days later his announcement was in the paper, so I can only assume that politics won over friendship. It felt like a slap in the face, but that is something we live with. I have loved the Holt's and their kids for a long time, but I can't sit around and let you or them distort facts about my husband. And as for Doug being behind Paul Graham's stupid filing, Jim should know better.
Amy I appreciate you coming forward and using your real name instead of the continued anonymous assualts that we normally get. I know this is painful for all concerned. I did not dispute it when Paul said that Doug had nothing to do with it, even with conflicting stories "Doug did not know", "Doug knew but he was against it". I took Paul at his word and I take you at yours. But they are close associates and there is no getting around that. Paul is one of the few people in the world that would do something like this for Doug- but also just because he does not care for Jim Holt. I gave him a chance to tell his side of it for all to see, just as I do you. I am not deleting any posts that tell the other side of it, so long as they are not profane.
Jim took the loss against Blanche very hard, because he campaigned very hard and because it was his first loss. I am sure what really happened began as a misunderstanding. Jim was simply not ready to think about his next step when Doug first started dropping hints about Lt. Governor. Doug was planning and champing at the bit, and Jim was still trying to recover from his last campaign. He did not even want to think about it.
The only reason he declared as early as he did was that Doug wanted him to decide by mid-March. He still was not ready to dive into campaign mode with the kind of energy he used against Blanche (and the kind he is now displaying. One supporter in east Arkansas described him as "10 times better than he was against Blanche" after a recent stop).
If Jim was not in the race, it just means that Doug would lose to Banks. And Banks to Wooldridge. I am not saying he is not good enough, I am saying he does not have enough name ID or gray hairs to win this job. Praying about something does not mean that what you are praying for is God's will. Sometimes the answer is "NO". Sometimes the answer is "not yet".
Jim is not costing Doug his political career- Doug is not going to win this with or without Jim. If Doug realizes that early enough, it may save his political career. Even if that career ended, Doug has a good life. He has a lot of blessings to count, obviously a loving wife is among them. It is my wish that he do that rather than radiate with hostility and anger towards Jim. Even if Jim did him wrong, why let it eat him up?
Thank You Mark Moore. I surely pray that the rumors and slurs stop on this blog. I've always heard that politics were dirty. This is a fine example. Thank you so much for setting the record straight. Good Luck with the up comming election Senator Holt. You certainly have my vote.
First of all, you need to realize that the Democrats are never going to let Jim Holt win this race. If there is any baggage to be found, they will dig it up and expose it. Second of all, Tim Wooldridge is not going to will either. He would be running against a much harder opponant, more likely Mike Hathorn. Third, you're right that sometimes God says NO about things. Obviously even though Holt knew he was supposed to run against Lincoln, the answer was no about winning. I doubt Mr. Matayo was "chomping at the bit" as you say...more likely he is just doing what he is supposed to do no matter the outcome. He has my vote. And why would Holt jump into a race without praying about it? Just to beat Matayo to the announcement? That goes against everything I've heard about him. I like Jim Holt, but if he wins the primary we'll just have a Democrat as Lt. Governor. And he'll probably suffer some embarrassment.
The Democrats can't stop Jim Holt from winning this race. Only the Republicans can. Hathorn would not be a tougher opponent than Wooldridge for a guy like Jim. He might be a tougher opponent for an establishment Republican because he will draw some votes out of the 3rd district that Wooldridge would not. But Jim can get even more conservative Democrats to vote for him over Hathorn than he could over Wooldridge.
I don't think anyone said Holt did not pray about it, but it was said that he was not ready to campaign when he first declared.
As for your assertion that if Jim wins we will just have a Demo as Lt. Gov, do you think Matayo, or Banks, who has never won an election in his life, will do better? Holt is by far the best chance the GOP has to win this office. Holt already has more people who have voted for him than have voted for Mike Huckabee or either Hutchinson. Are you saying it would be better to throw all that away and back someone who is relatively unknown? It's crazy. There is only one group of swing voters that don't care for Holt- secular establishment Republicans. They need to suck it up and vote for the team like they are always urging Christian Conservatives to do.
If secular or nominally religious establishment types want to keep their alliance with conservative christians, they need to vote Holt in November. If they would rather lose than take turns giving the other part of their coalition some office holders then they will get their irrational wish.
I like Jim Holt, but if he wins the primary we'll just have a Democrat as Lt. Governor. And he'll probably suffer some embarrassment.
This from the same crowd that predicted (and hoped) that 'Sheriff' Andy Lee would handily win the 04 U.S. Senate Rep. primary. What a true embarrassment that would've been! Yet another favor Holt did the Republican party last election.
Not only would Lee have been blown away at the ballot box, but he would've made the Republicans the laughing stock of the entire south. Asa would now have had that sorry image to overcome in addition to his other problems.
If Holt is such a great candidate, why won't the republican party get behind him? The don't support him. All 3 republican candidates were a laughing stock during the US Senate race. It was embarrassing. Holt just happened to be the one who was the least embarrassing. If Holt is so much more well known than Matayo, then why hasn't he raised more money than Matayo? He has raised the least amount out of the 3.
At 1:58 pm, Mark Moore said basically that Matayo should get over the fact that Jim wronged him. I don't think Matayo is letting that eat him up. I don't think Matayo was the one that brought it up on here in the first place. His wife only responded because she was tired of the lies that were being told. I would like to say that you should hold Jim to the same standards. Paul Graham just wronged Jim according to you, so why not just let it go and "get over it"? Why get mad and post about it? Why demand an apology from Paul Graham? You are definetely the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't think there was any group that wanted Andy Lee to be our next Senator. Why do you make so many things up on the site. Your memory of things is not what it should be. Andy Lee had no support from any group. Holt only received the votes he had because there was no good choice. This small group of people on this site may like Jim Holt, but you don't speak for the whole state.
Can you believe he made the statement that the Lt. Governor should be a full time job because it pays $40,000/year? I cannot believe he thought that was hitting the big time. Does he have a clue? Does he realize how much most men in NWA make for a living? How does he take care of 8 children making less than $40,000 per year. Isn't he supposed to have all this experience and he's never made over $40,000/year? That's a little embarrassing.
Lot's of us don't make over $40,000 a year. Most in fact. If you are from someplace where $40,000 a year is not enough for a full time job then you are disconnected from the average Arkansan.
I think most Arkansans would prefer a Lt. who did serve full time, instead of do it as basically a hobby. Lt. Gov. is a good "farm team" position for higher office too.
Some of the posts you reference/distort are not mine, but here is some replies meant more for our fair audience .....
1) Jim should get the full backing of the GOP once this primary is over because it will be obvious to all rational observors that he has a good chance to win in 06, something that was not obvious in 05.
2)You are putting words in my mouth and then fussing at me for those words. Jim did not wrong Doug. Doug is not "entitled" to the Lt. Gov. nomination just because he says "first" two years ago. Doug is not ready to be the Lt. Gov. whether Jim is in it or not.
3)Jim is not going after Paul Graham. He is not letting bitterness eat him up. In fact, a media guy called him and wanted to do an interview with Jim that could be described as an "expose" on Graham's efforts to destroy Jim politically over the years. Jim decided he did not want the interview to be about Paul Graham, he wanted to talk about his ethics reform bill and adding it to the call for the Special Session. The interview has not happened.
Jim did not want rub Paul's nose in it, we just want the mess from this mistake to be cleaned up. That is why I asked Paul to clear up the confusion that is even in the retraction story. It is clear he does not wish to do that. I did not "demand" an apology from Graham,I asked him if he would give one in the process of clearing up another misimpression created by his retraction.
When I said Doug was getting angry that goes beyond this story. Several of us have observed his demeanor. Someone on the Arktimes blog said "I thought Matayo was going to physically attack Holt" at a forum in LR. It is not a matter of getting mad or seeking vengence. We got splashed with mud and this is just an unfortunate part of cleaning up the mess.
Andy Lee won about 10 elections in a row in Benton County, which had a third of the total primary vote. He lost to Jim 60-40 or so even in that county. A lot of the "insiders" were picking Lee to win that race, probably some of the same folks who anonymously now claim that he was never a good candidate. He and that other gal were not top flight candidates, but the marin of victory was so huge for Jim that it is a good showing against ANYBODY, much less a guy with Andy Lee's track record in Benton County.
Jim Holt holds the record for most Republican Primary votes in a three way race. You got that? He is #1. He is #2 for most primary votes ever received by a Republican. The record is held by incumbent Senator Tim Hutchinson in a two way race.
As for who has raised the most money, once again Matayo started early, very early. Holt started late and has not peaked yet. True Matayo has raised a similar amount overall, but in the last quarter Jim outraised Doug $17,000 to $6,400. Doug's lead is because of his efforts in previous quarters before Jim stated going.
Your constant accusations, your constant attempts to belittle and denigrate Jim Holt are really annoying, and really delusional. The facts are against you. Are you going to learn your lesson if Jim wins this primary without a run-off? No, because your opinions are not based on facts, they are based on delusions.
And o yes, $40,000 is full-time money to me, and the vast majority of people who want a Lt. Governor who will fight for them full time, not treat the office as a trophy or hobby.
I finally had to jump in on this subject since it hit a nerve. Jim was not given the support he deserved by the GOP in 2005. Vern Humphrey was given even less support by the GOP. The GOP wanted me to run as a republican but it is always clear that fundraisers and money is how you get the votes. I disagree with this on an ethical ground. I asked the house minority leader why Vernon didnt get the support he deserved while stumping. I was told that it is about doing better fundraisers. I am sick of this attitude as true as it might be to most. We let Jim and Vern Down the last time around pure and simple. The GOP has written me about their past mistakes and by the way send us some dollars. Both parties are losing contact with the real people.
Paul Graham, It's clear to me that you have problems of your own. Stop your one sided opinion when you obviously need to talk this out with Senator Holt. BE A MAN....Get a BACK BONE and go to him yourself.
Don't give me this bull about your so called lawyer advising you not to talk to Senator Holt without a witness because if that was the case, you should have not filed false accusations against him. (Obviously your so called lawyer didn't advise you not to file the false complaint against Senator Holt) otherwise he would have told you that you could be sued for lible. Your complaint was nothing but a bunch of hooey and everyone knows it.
As far as DM raising more money that Holt has already, a little birdie told me that the Matayo's had to sell their home for campaign money. I don't call selling your home to finance your campaign raising money.
AmerCitizen45, you need to get your facts straight. How dare you say something that couldn't be further from the truth. My husband built the Matayo home for them. I am Amy's sister and my husband is in the construction industry. When Doug and Amy first decided to build this home, it was their plan to sell it in 2 years. They moved into that home 2 years ago exactly. It is called a way to get out of debt completely, which is what we should all strive for. Not one penney is going towards Doug's campaign. I can only assume the little birdy you speak of is Bobye Holt since she asked everyone she could why the Matayo's were selling their home, and in the process drove by every other day to check up on them. She is the one that started saying they had to sell it to finance their campaign.
My husband and I just finished building our 2nd home in 1 1/2 years and we are now selling this one after only living here for 6 months. It's called planning for your future. The market in NWA is hot right now and that is why the Matayo's sold their home. It's amazing the things people can just make-up.
To me this just shows how credible these posts are. You guys seem to make everything up as you go.
The Matayo's are in the process of buying another lot to build another home on. My husband will help them build this one also. Does that sound like they needed the money to finance a campaign? I'm sure they could provide you with the papers on this lot if you need proof. Please don't listen to rumors from people that can't even afford to buy a house in the first place.
Talk about making things up... you just accused Bobye Holt of something for the whole world to see. I assume you've already talked this over with her in a spirit of "Christian" love. Probably not, since you then proceeded to throw in a personal insult.
Oh, I know, I know--it's different for you, because sometime ago so-and-so offended you, and now you're justified in throwing around your own slander (so you think).
The hatred on this thread makes me want to just puke!
Emily, I don't know Bobbye Holt. The statement was made by Doug Matayo himself....Now is that a rumor or not? Check with your so called brother in law. He made the statement that they couldn't afford to this house and were going for something cheaper. He also said that this money would make his campaign money really look good. Ask him about it and see if he can answer that one for you.. Mo rumors here just lady lady just facts.
Emily,
MEOWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Your claws are showing.
What the heck does the Matayo house have to do with this campaign? Maybe they did sell it to finance a campaign...that just means that now they have a lot of money to put into it. WHO CARES??! Other people put their money into campaigns too. The only thing that matters is the issues. It seems like Matayo needs to be careful who he talks to in the future, though.
Exactly what did Emily say that made "her claws show"? She just defended a false attack and stated the facts. Is that really the only thing you could come up with 5:28? Don't you think if people were posting lies about your family, you would want to correct them also?
I agree with 6:17. Leave their house out of this. It's none of our business and I hope Matayo does use the money for his campaign. It would give him a big advantage over Holt.
God Bless you Matayo! Keep up the good work.
I know Jim Holt would not have anything to do with the politics of personnel destruction that I have seen from this thread.
Campaign donations and voting records are public record and people have the right to question them.
Mr. Graham thought Jim Holt received a campaign donation which was not filed (which is against the law).
So he filed a complaint. Once he was informed it was a gift he withdrew his complaint.
I have a hard time believing that Jim Holt went to a political event and did not campaign for Lt Governor after he had announced for the office.
I for one am glad that Republicans are policing their own instead of letting the Democrats do it for them in the general election.
So he filed a complaint. Once he was informed it was a gift he withdrew his complaint.
Yeah--he filed a complaint like the slimer he is. If he had a problem, he should've done the least bit of investigating first, not run off and file a formal ethics charge in the middle of a political primary campaign. He is, after all, a JP in the Republican party. But he didn't check because, as he admits on his own blog, he's made it his mission in life to try to keep Holt from winning the Lt. Gov primary.
He's lucky he's not getting sued for this politically motivated drive-by sliming. And Doug Thompson's lucky he's not getting called out for his sloppy reporting. Everyone involved with Graham's latest show of incompetence has been damaged: Holt, Matayo, Thompson...
It's a shame that this man has been representing people in Washington Co. for the last several years. No wonder he's not running for re-election!
I wish you had the facts 7:56. You don't know what happened behind the scenes. The only thing you know is what you've read on these posts. Graham did the right thing. He did check into it and found that it should've been reported and it wasn't. Win's office did not want to get involved so they decided to call it a gift. When Graham filed the complaint the evidence showed one thing. After the complaint was filed the evidence changed. The people behind the scenes know what went on. You do not. You're getting your information from a bunch of Holt lovers. Of course they will twist it all around.
You can call Graham a "slimer" but you would have to call Holt one too.
Let's see, I can choose to believe a man who has admitted that he's devoted his life to undermining Holt's campaign, and I can choose to believe the anti-Holt squad that lobs personal insult after personal insult and are now, however politely, calling WinRock a liar. Or, I can choose to believe the "Holt lovers."
Not a hard decision!
You can call Win's office yourself and ask them. It's not that hard to do. I wanted to find out the facts on my own, and that is what I did. I never once called Win a liar. I said they didn't want to get involved. I have complete respect for WinRock and I do not blame his office for not wanting to get involved. I posted what I was told after researching it myself and you are able to do the same. You are just afraid you will not like what you hear.
I have seen personal insults on this site from both sides. If you don't like personal insults directed towards the Holts, then maybe you should stop directing them towards others. You can't insult someone and then cry when it happens back.
oh, I'm not crying over the insults--I think they're more informative of their source than they are of the insulted.
By claiming that WinRock adjusted the classification of the plane flight to "Gift" so as to "not get involved," you are insinuating that WinRock is a liar. Unless you are saying that the gift was originally misclassified... Which one is it?
Paul talked to the reporters first, got it in the press first, THEN filed the complaint. It is not like we had a complaint we could show to be false ahead of time. There was nothing to answer to until after we got broadsided.
I strenuously protest the charge that WinRock changed evidence. That is pure libel. At the time of the flight neither Holt nor Rock considered it a campaign contribution. You think WinRock wanted to make a campaign contribution in a contested GOP primary? He does like Jim, but it is bad form to back someone in a contested primary and Win always stays "above the fray".
The accusation is absurd and maddening. It is maddening how far Holt's enemies, the people who intensely dislike Jim Holt, will go to slime him.
"The evidence changed", what trash. Apparently if you get anywhere near Jim, no matter how clean your entire record of public service is (Like WinRock) they will slime you too. Even a man with a clean record of puplic service that is in a hospital bed with a life-threatening condition must be slimed if that is what it takes to get some slime on Jim Holt.
This charge truly disgusts me.
You refuse to check the facts. You are afraid of what you will find. You will lie and twist words and do whatever it takes to make your point. You all truly disgust me. I have never seen so many people who are willing to tell lies, and so many people that lack character.
No one is sliming Win here. Don't even try to make it out that way. You are blind. You are so one sided. You refuse to look at the truth and you will defend Holt to the death.
I never once claimed to take sides in this race. I have not made up my mind in any way. The only conclusion that I have made is that I will not vote for Holt. I am not a Banks supporter, nor a Matayo supporter. I just like to find things out on my own before jumping to conclusions.
You refuse to do the same because you won't like the outcome. I don't care about your opinion on any issue. I am a 39 year old man and I am able to research things for myself. I stated FACTS, not things I want to be true. You should try doing the same. I also know Win on a personal level and would never say anything against him. You do not know him so don't try to act like you are defending him. And please don't bring his condition into this. What he is going through is none of your business so leave it out of it.
Nice distraction, but you never answered the question: are you claiming that Win changed the classification of the plane ride to "gift" to avoid "getting involved," or are you saying the gift was originally misclassified?
How long are you guys going to keep beating this dead horse? This is the only site where people are still talking about this. Move on people. There is more out there to talk about. I'm sure Jim Holt will be in the papers any day now for something else and then we can all meet back here and talk about that. Let's just give this topic a rest.
Nobody cares anymore! It's old news.
Actually, I am trying to move on. I have posted a couple of stories on top of this one, and have asked my fellow contributors to post some more articles. Still, this one is getting all the action. I guess SOMEBODY cares.
Anon 10:4,
It's not a dead horse, it's very much alive because the story changes everyday! I'm tired of the spin more than I'm tired of this thread. But posters like anonymous 6:58am & 8:12am are not going to rewrite this event unchallenged. If you don't want to read it (and I wouldn't blame anyone who doesn't), then surf elsewhere.
"You will lie and twist words and do whatever it takes to make your point."
I count is as a badge of honor to be called a liar by the same anonymous slimers who accuse WinRock of changing evidence in their unprincipled efforts to destroy Jim Holt.
Keep on twisting Mark Moore. Eventually you will twist so much that you won't remember where you started and who you're defending.
No one accused Win of any wrong doing. Not wanting to get involved is not the same as doing something wrong.
Win does not like Jim, nor does Asa, or Boozman or Huckabee and the list goes on and on. I happen to respect their opionion more than yours so I will follow their lead. If they don't like Jim, then there must be a reason why.
I'm sure you will now try and lump me in with the "Holt haters". I am not out to destroy Jim Holt. I am out to make a decision on who is the best man for the job. If the highest people in our state don't care for Holt, then I know I won't vote for him.
Changing evidence is wrong. That is what the accusation was. "Not wanting to get involved" was the claimed motivation for the wrongdoing, changing the evidence was the wrong you accused WinRock of.
As for who does or does not like Jim, you are an anonymous blogger who has accused me of being a liar and made all kinds of outrageous statements. You don't speak for WinRock, or those other guys.
He knows what we were trying to get him to admit, and that's why he didn't answer the question. The cabal finally let out enough rope to hang themselves.
From what I see, everyone on here is anonymous. Would it really matter if I made up some silly name? You have made so many accusations on here I won't even try and count them. I can tell you what all of those people have told me and if you asked them they'd tell you the same. It is common knowledge that none of them have tried to hide.
Would I really write something like that when any one of them could read it and deny it? They won't deny it, because it's true. I'm sorry that you don't like reading it. I guess I shouldn't make that statement either because I've seen a number of people get on here and use John Boozman's name. I'm pretty sure that Jim also knows those men don't like him. If he doesn't he is clueless.
Is that you Mr. Fact Checker? Why haven't you answered the question?
What is your problem? You get on here defending Paul Graham at Win Rockefeller's expense, all the while insisting that you are not part of the Holt bashing crowd. Then you take it upon yourself to anonymously represent people who you claim don't like Holt and insist we should take 'you' at your word. You're a contradiction, just another irrational slimer.
Does anyone here get out into the real world? Do you know anyone outside this little circle of Holt supporters? I could care less if you believe anything I have to say. That doesn't make it any less true. No one defended Graham at Win's expense. You don't take the time to actually read what is posted. You spend the entire time thinking of ways to fight back. The difference between you and me is that I actually know these people that I speak of. You do not, so you have no idea how they feel. You don't like it so you think of ways to fight back.
You're a contradiction, just another irrational slimer.
Ain't that the truth! He expects us to believe on the one hand that WinRock gave a campaign donation to Holt in the form of an airplane ride, but that Win publically despises Jim. That makes alot of sense!
You don't take the time to actually read what is posted.
Isn't this your quote?:
Win's office did not want to get involved so they decided to call it a gift. When Graham filed the complaint the evidence showed one thing. After the complaint was filed the evidence changed.
Just what did you expect everyone to believe by this statement? It sounds to me like you accused Win (or his office) of campaign finance corruption!
"I could care less if you believe anything I have to say. " -Anonymous 3:13pm
That's another baldfaced lie! You have been hanging out here all day trying to slime Holt. It's blown up in your face, but you just don't know when to quit!
I have made a total of 3 posts on this site, including this one. I would hardly call that hanging out here all day. Just because I happend to agree with another person on here, does not mean I am the same person.
I find it funny that in order to not like Jim Holt you must be a Matayo supporter. Can you believe there are plenty of people like me that support Banks and also do not like Holt.
Holt supporters sure are quick to anger. That makes this even more fun.
Liars anger people--it's a fact of life. You may consider that 'fun,' but that just makes you a sadist as well as a pathetic character assassin.
I have made a total of 3 posts on this site, including this one Anon 5:15pm
Let's take a look at your posts today:
(1)Snippet from your 8:12am post: Win's office did not want to get involved so they decided to call it a gift
(2)Snippet from your 8:39am post: You can call Win's office yourself and ask them.
(3)Snippet from your 10:06am post: I also know Win on a personal level and would never say anything against him
(4)Snippet from your 11:37am post: Win does not like Jim, nor does Asa, or Boozman or Huckabee and the list goes on and on. I happen to respect their opionion more than yours so I will follow their lead.
(5)Snippet from your 2:02pm post: I can tell you what all of those people have told me and if you asked them they'd tell you the same.
(6)Snippet from your 3:13pm post: The difference between you and me is that I actually know these people that I speak of.
I'm sure you can count. I don't blame you for not wanting to own up to your posts.
And I couldn't care less who you support, just stop spreading lies about people!
Jim will win the Primary because no other candidate has mounted a serious challenge to him. However, Jim will lose the General election against any Democrat the party nominates. (except Drew Pritt) No one likes this fact but money is a vital part of any statewide electoral success. Jim isn't raising any money. This will fact will keep him from ever winning a seriously contested public office.
I agree that if he doesn't get a windfall of campaign contributions, he's going to have some serious problems taking on the moneyed democrat. Yet this is a problem that can easily be overcome.
But Holt will win the primary because he's the best on the issues. That his opponents haven't mounted a serious challenge is a result of this.
The Democrat will come out of the primary broke, and so will the Republican. But the GOP is in much better shape to help their candidate.
I just wonder if "KNOW IT ALL" Paul Graham has read the column by Mike Materson today. I bet not. A public apology sure would be nice. I wonder if he's got it in him. I bet not.
This Blog is beginning to be like group therapy. Folks complain and moan and say how bad the thread is. Yet after 90 comments the sames one come back for yet another jab. I got on here this time because it seems that everytime I comment , the thread goes dead. Must be my witty charm or as one guy says it may be my good grammer. Not full of myself just full of it.
PS Go get em Jim.
I love how biased this site is. Just because everyone here has the same opionion, doesn't make it the right opionion. Try and spice it up a little. Encourage people to come on here that like the other candidates. It makes it more interesting. Jim has lost big once and he'll lose again.
Come on---you know you can't get enough of it!
Mark tries to provide a balance sampling of articles, but who would want to control what gets posted? If you're into that, may I suggest Max Brantley's Arkansas Times blog "where they filter out the best and post the rest..."
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