Sunday, April 23, 2006

Does the Bible Teach that Illegal Aliens are Entitled to All Public Benefits?

With some trepidation I present for your review a ten minute Bible study on the question of "Does Scripture Teach that Illegal Aliens are Entitled to All Public Benefits that Citizens Enjoy?".

For those of you who do not know or care what this is about I apologize for wasting the bandwidth. It seems some folks are accusing Sen. Jim Holt of Springdale of being less of a Christian than they are because of his opposition to giving taxpayer supported college scholarships to persons who are here illegally, as well as taking extra steps to make sure illegal aliens don't get other public benefits. They quote lot's of scripture so I thought it ought to be addressed, lest the casual observor think less of the Bible on account of only hearing one side.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

So who is the supposed expert that you are presenting here and what are his credentials for being able to present a proper Biblical hermeneutic that I should trust over my own?

6:30 AM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You spoke about different interpretations, but you were using someone (if not your own) else's interpretation of scripture. You weren't even using the KJV of the Bible.

10:07 AM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is an amplified Bible? Is it louder than a regular Bible?

10:26 AM, April 24, 2006  
Blogger Mark Moore (Moderator) said...

Please feel free to use the KJV of the Bible and look up those same scriptues, and use Strong's concordance to examine the meaning of the original Hebrew.

I just wanted to present an alternative to the loud voices who insisted that we were less spiritual than they were because we did not want illegal aliens to have access to government programs.

11:02 AM, April 24, 2006  
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1:24 PM, April 24, 2006  
Blogger kw's blog said...

How would Jesus Immigrate? and other links | Kenneth Wallis (written after Hillary's Jesus comments about immigration)

Posted on 03/24/2006 11:55:00 AM PST by pulaskibush

What Christians should do regarding illegal immigration has been an ongoing debate for a long time. Recently, Christianity was entered into the debate over immigration bills being worked on in the US Congress by Senator Hillary Clinton. Hillary basically advanced the argument that opposing illegal immigration is "un-Christian" and claimed that such enforcement would be the same as making the Good Samaritan and Jesus criminals. Missing from Hillary's comments were quotes from the Bible. While immigration from Mexico is of course not mentioned, there are issues that illegal immigration bring up that are mentioned in the Bible.

1. Taxes
Matthew 22:14-17 14And they came up and said to Him, Teacher, we know that You are sincere and what You profess to be, that You cannot lie, and that You have no personal bias for anyone; for You are not influenced by partiality and have no regard for anyone's external condition or position, but in [and on the basis of] truth You teach the way of God. Is it lawful (permissible and right) to give tribute (poll taxes) to Caesar or not? 15Should we pay [them] or should we not pay [them]? But knowing their hypocrisy, He asked them, why do you put me to the test? Bring me a coin (a denarius), so I may see it. 16And they brought [Him one]. Then He asked them, whose image (picture) is this? And whose superscription (title)? They said to Him, Caesar's. 17Jesus said to them, Pay to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. And they stood marveling and greatly amazed at Him.
Romans 13:5-8 5Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath and escape punishment, but also as a matter of principle and for the sake of conscience. 6For this same reason you pay taxes, for [the civil authorities] are official servants under God, devoting themselves to attending to this very service. 7Render to all men their dues. [Pay] taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, and honor to whom honor is due. 8Keep out of debt and owe no man anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor [who practices loving others] has fulfilled the Law [relating to one's fellowmen, meeting all its requirements].

Matthew 17:24-27 24When they arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the half shekel [the temple tax] went up to Peter and said, Does not your Teacher pay the half shekel?(C) 25He answered, Yes. And when he came home, Jesus spoke to him [about it] first, saying, what do you think, Simon? From whom do earthly rulers collect duties or tribute--from their own sons or from others [k]not of their own family? 26And when Peter said, from other people [l]not of their own family, Jesus said to him, then the sons are exempt. 27However, in order not to give offense and cause them to stumble [that is, to cause them [m]to judge unfavorably and unjustly] go down to the sea and throw in a hook. Take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth you will find there a shekel. Take it and give it to them to pay the temple tax for me and for yourself.

Luke 10:33-35
33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

US citizens are required to pay sales and income tax. Many illegals only pay sales tax and are hired by businesses for the purpose of paying their share of the taxes. US Taxpayer money is supposed to pay for government services to US Citizens. Instead, millions of taxpayer dollars go to people who should not even be in the country. Hillary used the Sunday school story character The Good Samaritan in her statement about Christians and illegals. Hillary, along with many illegal immigrant advocates fails to realize that the Samaritan did not use someone else’s money to take care of the robbery victim, but his own.

2. Citizenship
Exodus 23:31-33 "I will establish your borders from the Red Sea [a] to the Sea of the Philistines, [b] and from the desert to the River. [c] I will hand over to you the people who live in the land and you will drive them out before you. 32 Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. 33 Do not let them live in your land, or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you."
Luke 1: 1At that time the Roman emperor, Augustus, decreed that a census should be taken throughout the Roman Empire. 2(This was the first census taken when Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3All returned to their own towns to register for this census. 4And because Joseph was a descendant of King David, he had to go to Bethlehem in Judea, David's ancient home. He traveled there from the village of Nazareth in Galilee.

Acts 22:25-29

25As they tied Paul down to lash him, Paul said to the officer standing there, "Is it legal for you to whip a Roman citizen who hasn't even been tried?"26The officer went to the commander and asked, "What are you doing? This man is a Roman citizen!" 27So the commander went over and asked Paul, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?" "Yes, I certainly am," Paul replied. 28"I am, too," the commander muttered, "and it cost me plenty!" "But I am a citizen by birth!" 29The soldiers who were about to interrogate Paul quickly withdrew when they heard he was a Roman citizen, and the commander was frightened because he had ordered him bound and whipped.

Even the right to live in heaven is described as "citizenship" Ephesians 2-19 19So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of God's holy people. You are members of God's family.

Being an illegal immigrant is just becoming better than being Citizen of the United States of America. In some states, such as Kansas, illegals can get in-state tuition for college that is not available to US citizens going to another state. There are also several taxpayer funded programs that are available to illegals that are not available to US Citizens. Citizenship is supposed to be a great honor. Legal immigrants work hard to learn English and study our constitution to become US Citizens. Many legal immigrants risk death by joining the military in order to become citizens. The illegal immigrant agenda wants to cheat this honor with backdoor deals and amnesties.

3. Government Corruption
Passage Deuteronomy 16:19: 19 Do not pervert justice or show partiality. Do not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous.
1 Samuel 8:3 But his sons did not walk in his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.

Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man accepts a bribe in secret to pervert the course of justice.

Acts 24:26 24Several days later Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was a Jewess. He sent for Paul and listened to him as he spoke about faith in Christ Jesus. 25As Paul discoursed on righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and said, "That's enough for now! You may leave. When I find it convenient, I will send for you." 26At the same time he was hoping that Paul would offer him a bribe, so he sent for him frequently and talked with him. 27When two years had passed, Felix was succeeded by Porcius Festus, but because Felix wanted to grant a favor to the Jews, he left Paul in prison.

Daniel 6:4 At this, the administrators and the satraps tried to find grounds for charges against Daniel in his conduct of government affairs, but they were unable to do so. They could find no corruption in him, because he was trustworthy and neither corrupt nor negligent.

Matthew 23:1-4 1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

Luke 2:46 Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

While pro-illegal immigrant Christians claim to help illegal immigrants, they do nothing to stop the cause of the suffering; corruption. The Mexican Government is well known for its corruption and negligence toward its people. When the Negligent Narco Regime of Mexico ignored hundreds of murders in Juarez, we heard virtually nothing from these Christian organizations that claim to help hispanics. Nor do we hear any demand that the Mexican Government pay for housing, healthcare, education, and other necessities that the Mexican government is supposed to provide Mexicans. That burden has been put upon the American taxpayer thanks to Hispanic activist groups such as the lawyers of MALDEF. These Christian organizations could also put pressure on corrupt businesses such as Tyson Foods to stop hiring illegals and breaking US law, instead they help corrupt businesses by helping the trafficking of illegals. Helping illegal immigration also helps the human/drug trafficing business, which enslaves and abuses the neglected citizens of other countries. It is not Christian to be a useful idiot of evil.

4. “helping the poor”
Luke 14:13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,
Matthew 23:5-7 5"Everything they(Pharisees) do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

John 12:3-8 3Then Mary took about a pint[a] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5"Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." 6He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it. 7"Leave her alone," Jesus replied. " It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me." Peter 4 : 14If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Luke 14:13 is one of the many verses that say to help the poor. However, there are other verses in the Bible that deal with many of the “bleeding heart types” that twist the act of helping the poor into their own agenda. Many people “help the poor” to make an effort to draw attention to themselves. Many in the illegal immigration agenda claim to help the poor so that they can advance the ideas of multiculturalism, “Aztlan” (the racist Hispanic succession of the Southwest from the United States), socialist equality, and similar agendas. To criticize their agenda is portrayed as being “mean” to those in poverty. There are also those who think that it’s OK to break the law if you are “helping the poor”, the Bible states otherwise.


5. Negligence
Exodus 21:28-29 28 "If a bull gores a man or a woman to death, the bull must be stoned to death, and its meat must not be eaten. But the owner of the bull will not be held responsible. 29 If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman, the bull must be stoned and the owner also must be put to death.

2 Chronicles 29:8-11 8 Therefore, the anger of the LORD has fallen on Judah and Jerusalem; he has made them an object of dread and horror and scorn, as you can see with your own eyes. 9 This is why our fathers have fallen by the sword and why our sons and daughters and our wives are in captivity. 10 Now I intend to make a covenant with the LORD, the God of Israel, so that his fierce anger will turn away from us. 11 My sons, do not be negligent now, for the LORD has chosen you to stand before him and serve him, to minister before him and to burn incense."

Many of those who enter this country illegally are criminals, diseased, and even terrorist. What will be the excuse if one of the illegals being housed in a church becomes the next Denver Cop Killer? If activist help some illegals crossing the border, who turn out to have the bird flu, will the activists not be partially responsible for the negligent homicide of 1,000’s? Being Christian does not mean giving food, clothing, and shelter from the law to the next Mohammed Atta. When illegal immigrants cause harm in the US, those who help them share some of the blame.

1:58 PM, April 24, 2006  
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5:53 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Mark Moore said...

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7:16 PM, April 24, 2006  
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7:27 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow--Mark lose an arguement and you start deleteing posts. No wonder no one posts on here anymore. Why don't you put those back up here and let people have a real discussion?

8:04 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have a lot of nerve deleting posts that show what kind of man you truly are. You should be ashamed of yourself. I really feel sorry for you and I will continue to pray for you Mr. Moore.

8:07 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Emily/Paul--you both disgust me.

8:10 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And, no, I am not Mark Moore.

8:10 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kudos to Mark Martin for his humble, incredible posts earlier tonight. It takes a man with a lot of character and profoud faith to come forward the way he did. And he's right. Mark Moore makes it his mission to assisinate the character anyone who disagrees with him or Holt. He will have to answer for that on judgement day. It's a shame that Mark Moore deleted everything.

8:13 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And guess what...I'm not Emily. And last time I looked in the mirror, there's no way I could be Paul.

8:15 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you know how the rest of us feel. You disgust all of us every minute. It's amazing that you're not disgusted with Mark Moore for being too much of a whimp to leave the posts for everyone to read. But then everyone would have proof of what kind of "man" he is.

8:15 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Mark Martin said...

In his defense, Mark Moore did the right thing and moved the embarrassing and humiliating debate to the privacy of Christian fellowship.

On my behalf, please cut him some slack on this one.


Mark Martin

8:19 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, Mark Martin. I'll go with you on this. But I'll be praying that he (Moore) DOES the right thing and comes to you in privacy as the Bible directs.

8:22 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark Martin: I will do as you ask and "cut him some slack", but I do want you to know that you have nothing to be embarrassed or humiliated about. You seem like a great guy and I would like to meet you sometime in the future. Continue the good work and I'm praying for you.

8:22 PM, April 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:10 You make me smile every time you do that. Keep it up.

8:25 PM, April 24, 2006  

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