posted by Mark Moore (Moderator) at Wednesday, April 21, 2010
I don't want a cheer leader. I want a Senator.Tim Green
OK, Dean can name 13 states (but probably not the original 13) and Baker can spell his own last name. Baker wins b/c there was no "yeeeaaaaaaayw" (or whatever Dean did) at the end of his.
Truth is I didn't see what was so bad about Dean's at the time, nor do I think much bad about Baker's now. My main goal was for people to guard against the risk of hypocrisy. Many who would waive off Baker's self-cheer made a big deal out of Dean's cheer.If one was any different than the other in essence, I would say that you can tell by Dean's expression at the very end that he is mostly having fun with it, while Baker is self-focused and serious about it to the end. Baker was also leading a cheer for himself while Dean was leading a cheer on behalf of another entity (albeit a criminal organization).
Mark, Between the two, I still give Baker the W.As far as your statement of Baker's being self-focused/serious, and Dean's being on behalf of another entity, isn't self-promotion the essence of a politician, particularly during a campaign?And while you say Dean led a cheer on behalf of another entity, his wasn't entirely pure either. If the Democratic party does well, he does well. There were self-focused motives on Dean's part, too.
There is one degree of separation there, since Dean was pumping the party, while Baker was pumping Baker, but my main point is that I can't give either of them a "W" on this, and I can't give one an "L" on it without giving the other an "L". I am non-partisan, except for truth and justice.
Degrees of separation and being non-partison notwithstanding, both have something to gain from their actions, but I believe Baker's motives to be more altruistic than Dean's and that's why Baker gets the W from me.
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