Did These Republican Senators Vote for A Tax Increase? Well....
Word is getting out that several Republican Senators joined their Democratic colleagues in voting for a "tax increase." The bill in question is SB341. Here are the Republican Senators who voted for the bill.....
GILBERT BAKER
JEREMY HUTCHINSON (he denies it and says the vote was wrongly recorded)
JONATHAN DISMANG
JOHNNY KEY
JAKE FILES
RUTH WHITAKER
EDDIE JOE WILLIAMS
BILLY SAMPLE
That part is not in doubt. What I wonder is whether or not this bill "rises to the level" of a tax increase, and if so, for whom. While this blog has been down on guys like Sen. Gilbert Baker in the past, I cannot in good conscience jeer him on this one. Instead, I want to explain the nuances and let you decide.
As I read the language of the bill what I see is an attempt to roll the federal government through a loophole in federal law. It allows Stategov to put fees on medicaid providers only to the extent that those fees are billable to medicare. In other words, the providers won't be out any money. The state taxpayers, as state taxpayers, won't be out any money. The stategov will be IN the money.
What about USgov? They are getting rolled. One could argue that if they are going to leave such loopholes open, they are asking for it. As a FEDERAL taxpayer I could object to the measure- if I thought that FEDGOV had a chance of surviving their terminal stupidity and overspending. Bernake is printing dollars like mad and giving most of them to the banksters. Is it so bad if our stategov gets in on the madness? Or put another way, other states are using the loophole to suck their share of cash out of fedgov, so maybe we need to do the same just to stay even. After all, when it all collapses we are going to be stuck with the tab even if we did not participate in the meal.
I am just playing devil's advocate with the above. I don't know that it makes voting for that bill the right thing to do. When you have a crazy, out of control fedgov like we have, they act in ways to blur the lines. When looking at it from a state citizen level rather than a federal citizen level, I am just not so convinced that it is a clear-cut tax increase. I am starting to view our fedgov as a house on fire. It's going to burn right to the foundation. Maybe we should quit trying to save them from their own stupidity and evil. No more trying to put out the fire while DC denizens are inside throwing fuel on it. Now we just concentrate on carrying as much stuff as we can get outside before the fire gets it.
Tell me the right answer here friends...
GILBERT BAKER
JEREMY HUTCHINSON (he denies it and says the vote was wrongly recorded)
JONATHAN DISMANG
JOHNNY KEY
JAKE FILES
RUTH WHITAKER
EDDIE JOE WILLIAMS
BILLY SAMPLE
That part is not in doubt. What I wonder is whether or not this bill "rises to the level" of a tax increase, and if so, for whom. While this blog has been down on guys like Sen. Gilbert Baker in the past, I cannot in good conscience jeer him on this one. Instead, I want to explain the nuances and let you decide.
As I read the language of the bill what I see is an attempt to roll the federal government through a loophole in federal law. It allows Stategov to put fees on medicaid providers only to the extent that those fees are billable to medicare. In other words, the providers won't be out any money. The state taxpayers, as state taxpayers, won't be out any money. The stategov will be IN the money.
What about USgov? They are getting rolled. One could argue that if they are going to leave such loopholes open, they are asking for it. As a FEDERAL taxpayer I could object to the measure- if I thought that FEDGOV had a chance of surviving their terminal stupidity and overspending. Bernake is printing dollars like mad and giving most of them to the banksters. Is it so bad if our stategov gets in on the madness? Or put another way, other states are using the loophole to suck their share of cash out of fedgov, so maybe we need to do the same just to stay even. After all, when it all collapses we are going to be stuck with the tab even if we did not participate in the meal.
I am just playing devil's advocate with the above. I don't know that it makes voting for that bill the right thing to do. When you have a crazy, out of control fedgov like we have, they act in ways to blur the lines. When looking at it from a state citizen level rather than a federal citizen level, I am just not so convinced that it is a clear-cut tax increase. I am starting to view our fedgov as a house on fire. It's going to burn right to the foundation. Maybe we should quit trying to save them from their own stupidity and evil. No more trying to put out the fire while DC denizens are inside throwing fuel on it. Now we just concentrate on carrying as much stuff as we can get outside before the fire gets it.
Tell me the right answer here friends...
posted by Mark Moore (Moderator) at Thursday, March 03, 2011
3 Comments:
I think we should go to our FEDERAL legislators and ask that they close this loophole. This is a way to cut federal spending without taking rev. from medical service providers and without reducing benefits to the patients.
Is this just a bribe to keep states in the system when they otherwise can't afford it?
You mean those rigid conservatives who endorsed Bush Jr. and then McCain in 2008? 'Nuff said.
Because they commit in advance to support the GOP nominee no matter how sorry they are, they have no leverage to reform the party, and no credibility with independent voters.
Some good folks, but they are operating under a flawed model, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Let's be frank. If they had been successful, there would have been no need for a tea party movement. Now the GOP establishment is diligently working to co-opt the Tea Party to make sure that the Tea Party has the same effectiveness that the Republican Assemblies have had.
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